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caravan

Been working through this Duke Ellington standard called Caravan over the last few weeks. We've been playing it in the band and i've been listening to it at work a lot. Rhapsody allows me to churn through 386 different versions of the same tune. How does Grant Green play it? Ella Fitzgerald? McCoy Tyner? Joe Pass? David Grisman? You can play them all back to back. In the end i really dig the Brian Setzer Orchestra version the best. Never really got into Setzer's whole 50's throwback rockabilly thing but he farking slays it while playing Caravan.. holy shit the dude has massive guitar chops. Too bad the rest of the album sucks... imho. Anyhoo it's pretty fascinating to unpack and decipher a rather small little jazz ditty such as Caravan. Cycle through the opening stanza two times, then the bridge, then back to the opening stanza. The complexity unravels when figuring out the theory behind what's happening in the song. The main lick starts in C, but it's root is F. The lick is predominantly in F harmonic minor, but there's also a D in it.. soo it doesn't fit exactly into F harmonic minor, which doesn't have a D. Turns out that alot of folks use an 8-note diminished scale to improvise over the opening stanza (whole step --> half step --> whole step --> half step --> etc.) It's weird to play within an 8 note scale (most scales have 7 unique notes) and i haven't figured out exactly how to overlay it onto the main feel of the song. SOOOO.. then there's this bridge that changes the feel of the song entirely. It took me forever to figure it out. It sounds simple but it's not. I basically sat in front of my computer and played back the 15 second bridge 20 times as i tried to piece together what was happening. I'm closer now but still not locked-D.

It's insane when you start imagining the mathematical gridworks of music theory, and the infinite nature of the possibilities. Similar to the first realization of the infinite pathways that fork from each move in chess. It's like a little kernal of knowledge opens up this enormous expanse of possibility and power. It just takes some gumption and fortitude to get the language down.

rock on.

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Lerm and i are headed to Drums and Tuba tonight at the red devil lounge. These guys lay it down thick and lush. Layered, idiosyncratic, pulsing compositions. Unbridled musica irreverence.
rad.

Duke Ellington

Setzer

Marc Ribot kills it!

Dave Brubeck plays a cool Caravan

Price Pfister....Uh, first poster?

Posted by: Kaiser at November 11, 2005 10:13 AM

2nd post!Nice one K-man!

Posted by: dubby at November 11, 2005 10:17 AM

Setzer rocks!

Posted by: Dennis at November 11, 2005 10:19 AM

Kaiser,
once again you have outdone yourself sir!
Keep em coming and maybe the surf will clean up. As usual I can surf when the conditions are like today but yesterdays am glass was unreachable.

Posted by: antman at November 11, 2005 10:19 AM

I think I see some blank skin on Setzer's arm. Obviously, he has not noticed it.

Posted by: at November 11, 2005 10:25 AM

where are the goods today?
sposed to be honoring veterans but i wanna surf

Posted by: mig at November 11, 2005 10:26 AM

Saw a jazz combo do a Black Sabbath tune last night at Club Deluxe. That was w--a--y cool. Dig? Always nice to hear tunes being played around with and made to swing in a new direction. Almost as cool as dolphins in the lineup.

Posted by: amigoism at November 11, 2005 10:32 AM

e - In case you hadn't heard the one version of Caravan by Art Blakey and Jazz Messengers (among the 386 versions), you should check it out. Very different, ...this is during a period with one of his best bands.

Posted by: Jack at November 11, 2005 10:40 AM

i totally back setzer if not only for stray cats.

my little brothers jazz band did some rad nirvana cover.

nice kaiser

386 versions? holy

huh? shit waves again?

Posted by: bagel at November 11, 2005 10:49 AM

Anyone ever ridden on of these? Thoughts?

Posted by: Kaiser at November 11, 2005 10:52 AM

I dig my channel-bottomed board. Not sure what exactly the channels do.. but i like the overall feel.

Club Deluxe is awesome. i've seen good music there a bunch of times.

Jack - thanks for the recommendation. i'll check that art blakey version.

Kaiser - that top photo is ridiculous. holy!

Posted by: e at November 11, 2005 11:02 AM

Music Time Machine Dept.
The English Beat is playing in Fairfax tonight.

Posted by: Slug at November 11, 2005 11:02 AM

The Ventures also covered Caravan with Mel Taylor ripping into a drum solo. Ultimate surf music.

Posted by: rockysurf at November 11, 2005 11:06 AM

Channel
Bottom shape dating back to 1970, credited to Jim Pollard of Australia, in which grooves are cut lengthwise along the surfboard, usually through the tail half. Many different types of channels have a variety of effects on performance; generally they add drive and direction to turns, especially in the most common modern variation, the six-channel "clinker" bottom. BTW Brian Setzer rips the guitar. Saw him at the Greek, was amazed.

Posted by: at November 11, 2005 11:21 AM

The version of Caravan off of "money jungle" with the Ellington-Mingus-Roach trio is good too.

Posted by: Joe O at November 11, 2005 11:46 AM

Watching Setzer run around the stage while ripping insane 16ths off his guitar strung with 12s is a very humbling experience. He could solo in his sleep.

Posted by: setzer kills at November 11, 2005 11:53 AM

E, great interview with Jim from the mermen! Killer find. I got a chance to hang out with him last march (i think it was march), when our band played at the Maverick's surf event. We played before the awards ceremony, and they played the private party afterwards...Anyway, we had a lot of down time after our gig and before there's so we got to shoot the shit with them (mostly the guitar player) for a solid hour or two. REALLY cool guy. He's got some crazy assed stories about the old days of being on tour with his old bass player that'd break something on stage at almost every gig. He told us this one story of the guy swinging his bass around by the strap, and letting it go flying into the glass DJ booth window which absolutely shattered it and left everyone in shock. He said you'd think everyone would go crazy, but it was completely quiet catching everyone off guard. He had another great story of completely destroying a big stack of speakers at some gig and then kind of realizing that they were the opening act. classic. Anyway, to make a long story shorter, the guy was totally kick ass. He loved to talk about all his vintage gear that was literally duct taped together...didn't a ton of their gear get snagged about 6 months ago?

Anyway, thanks for that link. he's a cool guy.

Posted by: Tait at November 11, 2005 11:55 AM

E - Glad to see you getting wet with Caravan. My rhodes trio plays the MMW version of that tune. The bridge simply starts by turning the Fm7 into an F7 and then goes around the cycle up in fourths. It's your basic jazz bridge (like the I Got Rhythm changes).

F7 - Bb7 - Eb7 - Ab7 then down a half step to G7 before heading back to C7 for the verse.

Keep at it and keep pimpin and burnin' in 05

egp

Posted by: EG Pimp at November 11, 2005 12:05 PM

right on Tait!
let me know if bag of toys ever needs an opening band. The new incarnation of my band has about 10 or 12 songs ready and we're pretty much set to start gigging. radical.

Posted by: e at November 11, 2005 12:07 PM

e- Just a suggestion but perhaps you should replace the classic posts with rules for the blog - no naming spots (except OB and Lindy), no being a dick (except BVB), no pictures of fugly women, anon posters get owned, WSP is the best jam band ever, etc.

web - any luck selling your boat? Just wondering.

Posted by: traut at November 11, 2005 12:15 PM

nice one pimp.. ahh.. the G7 at the end of the bridge? I've tried going down by 4ths for the bridge and it sounds all wrong man. It sounds like Setzer does the bridge by starting with an F7 like you said, then F9 (with a dominant 7... don't know what you call that chord??), then he goes up to a C.. then down to Eb... then to C again then the half-step down and back to the verse.. I've tried the Ab7 in the progression and it sounds horrible. I must be doing something wrong or maybe Setzer switched it up? I fucking suck and transcribing other people's music.

Posted by: e at November 11, 2005 12:26 PM

That chick above is a 7 on a 10.

Setzer is an pretty good guitarist.

Posted by: at November 11, 2005 12:28 PM

as i pull from the vaporizor...my sweet, sweet volcano...

dude - at least your are trying to transcribe shit. that is really important. ok, in the Setzer version of Caravan on Rhapsody he's actually playing the regular bridge. he plays an F7 and then goes UP in fourths. your last post you said it sounded like shit because you went DOWN in fourths. try it the other way.

ck your email - i just sent you the real chart for that tune as Ellington wrote it. new real book charts are always dead on. of course you can take the tune wherever you want to go. but always nice to know it from it's core.

also - whenever you see a 9 chord you just assume that the 7 is in there as well. if a chord has the 9th as an extension it's also going to have the 7th.

peace
egpx

Posted by: EG Pimp at November 11, 2005 12:39 PM

i give the top girl a 9 out of 10 rating. hot hot hot!

Posted by: at November 11, 2005 12:39 PM

i had a channel bottom board it was sweet - 6'7 x 20 i think, swallow tail, from some unknown shaper in la. it snapped in half but i kept the board with the thought of one day getting it replicated. not sure why or if the channels have anything to do with it but i haven't found another shortboard that i could maneuver as well on my backside.

what about guns? my board now for anything over 1.5x is a 6'10x20 squash, obviously not ideal in big stuff. i haven't ridden a proper gun, what is the drop-in and ride like vs a shortboard? duck diving?

Posted by: vons at November 11, 2005 12:45 PM

ya anon, you got som high standards

Posted by: bagel at November 11, 2005 12:45 PM

thanks egpimp.. so how would you differentiate between a major 9 chord with a dominant 7 and a major 9 chord with a major 7?

also pimp.. i'd be stoked on that ellington chart for caravan if you have it readily available?? is that what you were talking about with ck?
e@niceness.org

CK.. are you a closet ripper? you been holding out on me man!

egpimp is pimpin' it huge!

Posted by: e at November 11, 2005 12:47 PM

vons-a true gun feels like it's riding on a track. Feel the longboard like power & speed during paddling and dropping in, then hang on tight because that sucker is going to take off with speed you never knew was possible! Bank turning and trimming as opposed to short board radical rail to rail on longer guns. Mini-guns (7'2"ish range) will give you gun benefits paddle wise + duck-diving capabilities, and you can crank the sweet mother of jesus out of the thing. Have Fun.

Posted by: Juice at November 11, 2005 12:58 PM

e...yeah...you didn't know? i frickin' rip it up! i know at least four chords! ; )

no...unfortunately, i am an aspiring guitarist who seems to be unable to find time to dedicate to make any progress. i think eg was using "ck" as in "check". though...i was a bit confused at first as well and almost thought that i was a ripper for a moment or two! ; )

you musicians out there amaze me. hopefully one day i'll be able to do some basic strummin'.

Posted by: ck at November 11, 2005 01:03 PM

Try "Thelonious Monk Plays Duke Ellington" for another great Caravan cover.
Which could lead you to Monk's "Bemsha Swing",
past MMW's Bemsha Swing/Lively Up Yourself medley,
and on to Cecil Taylor's cover w/a killer Steve Lacy solo...

Posted by: big deconstructing ears at November 11, 2005 01:13 PM

I surfed last night in really weird lumpy, current deformed waves and it was fun, somehow. maybe cuz I was riding the 6'1 Bstah machine.

Posted by: Dennis at November 11, 2005 01:24 PM

Hey E! do you have any links to mp3s or anything? website? I'd love to hear what kind of stuff you've been up to. Yeah, we look for openening bands quite a bit... let's hear what you've got! feel free to email them or links to them over.

robert@bagoftoysmusic.com

Posted by: Tait at November 11, 2005 01:43 PM

"...THIS WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF AN EXTENDED
PERIOD OF WARM AND DRY WEATHER THAT SHOULD LAST WELL INTO NEXT WEEK.
PRIMARY CONCERN DURING THE FORECAST PERIOD WILL BE THE POTENTIAL FOR
STRONG OFFSHORE WINDS IN THE HILLS OF THE NORTH AND EAST BAY
BEGINNING SUNDAY NIGHT AND CONTINUING THROUGH TUESDAY MORNING."
Ladies and Gentlemen start your engines!

Posted by: WeatherMan at November 11, 2005 01:43 PM

im listening to the herbie mann version of that song i have, its good

Posted by: bagel at November 11, 2005 01:50 PM

46059- 11:50 am 14.4ft 17sec

Annual leash breakage yesterday on the outside. Glad it happened on a tiny day. Go figure. My neck is still sore from the swim. Got a little fun bodysurf on the way in though.

For my $ Dave Gonzalez bests Setzer. Setzer is a technician, Gonzalez got mojo.

Posted by: kdalle at November 11, 2005 01:59 PM

Big fan of offshores. Big fan of Rip Curl now as well...

Posted by: Kaiser at November 11, 2005 01:59 PM

From the Daily Dish

Hollywood heartthrob Leonardo DiCaprio has split from his girlfriend Gisele Bundchen.

The pair have enjoyed an on-off romance for three years -- but the supermodel's manager has told a magazine in her native Brazil their relationship is over for good.

She says, "Yes, they broke up."

But she denies rumors Bundchen is already dating surfing superstar Kelly Slater: "Gisele is not the type of a woman who ends a new relationship and starts a new one right away."

In other news, OB surf forecaster Blakestah denies rumors that he is moving to Kansas.

Posted by: traut at November 11, 2005 02:24 PM

E - I'm trying to save my copy of the chart so I can email it to you. You should have it sometime this weekend. yes, ChecK your email soon.

e thought: "so how would you differentiate between a major 9 chord with a dominant 7 and a major 9 chord with a major 7"

those two chords are exactly the same except for one major difference. One has a major 7th and the other is a dominant 7th. completely changes the quality and function of the chord. in the key of C the major 7th is B...the dominant 7th is Bb.

In Caravan the bridge chords are ALL dominant 7ths. dominant 7th chords are the easiest chords for soloing over because almost any note will work. upper extensions are what dom7 chords are about.

keep searchin'...

Posted by: EG Pimp at November 11, 2005 02:27 PM

juice - thx for info! so is a steep drop on a gun similar to on a longboard? they obviously look good for getting into waves early but what if its breaking steep?

dennis - i was out there last night too - sloppy to the point of being laughable but i too had good time although maybe only one good ride.

Posted by: vons at November 11, 2005 02:30 PM

Word 'em niceness crew. Well, here I sit in Rome. Quite a dirty city compared to beautiful Florence. I was going to use the phone when I passed a guy sitting in a baby stroller, barely, desperately holding onto a syringe. When I walked back, he was trying to throw the empty baby stroller over the fence, but clearly, the heroin had a pretty good hold of him. He managed to throw it a huge 2 ft. off the ground before chasing 2 guys at an alarming pace of about 3 mph.

It's crazy to be away from the water for this long. I feel weird, like an important part of me is missing. But, I guess it's made me develop and even stronger love for the ocean. It's also weird to be around people from DIFFERENT parts of the world, opposed to the everyday ho-hum routine I'm so used to. Some very sad and scary things are happening at every second of our lives, everyday. Hundreds of people have died in just 2 days. Sad. It's easy to tune it out, or even easier, just ignore it. Sorry, that's enough of an ethical rant from me, so I'll stop there.
It was cool reading some music theory discussions, much lighter and happier reading than I've been used to lately. Well, when I start my next portion of the journey I'll be in Brisbane. And guess what time it is? Time for a new board! Or.. maybe two! All the discussion of channel-bottomed boards got me excited. I'd love to try one. Although, I think my next purchase will be a 6'1 Surftech Al Merrick Flyer. I rode one in El Salvador with the FCS blue infinity fins. It felt like MAGIC. I've never felt a board so responsive and "twitchy." When I go for turns, I tend to throw my board out a biiiit two far, and usually tend to fall back, ass first, from trying to turn my "power" turns too much. I had absolutely no problems with this board though. But, I was also in uber glass conditions, with perfect quick and pushy waves, so that may have had some influence on my surfing. I figure I'll be getting to try my luck at some more nice waves in OZ and NZ. But once I get home in the spring, it may be a different story. So, I guess my gist of the post is, I'm getting really anxious and stoked to go board shopping, especially since our dollar goes further in OZ than it does here in Europe.

Well, I hope all is well. Appears Blakestah is moving? Looks like everyone is going to have take a few meterology classes.. Or shell out some dolla's for a Surflien membership..

Posted by: Ian at November 11, 2005 02:39 PM

Andrew, I heard that you said some nice things about me yesterday. Maybe you could take me out for lunch and dinner sometime. If you get lucky I will let you buy me breakfast too. Oh I almost forgot, here is a current picture. http://www.pbase.com/fasanotampa/image/48075812

Posted by: Andrew in Alameda's first at November 11, 2005 03:02 PM

caravan chart should be in your niceness.org email

Posted by: egp at November 11, 2005 03:16 PM

Congrats on your weight loss.

Posted by: Andrew in Alameda at November 11, 2005 03:47 PM

Vons-drop is waaaay different. a true gun is thick but with less wetted surface area. tail is tapered so it'll start to settle down into the wave. the longboard may as well be a skimboard on a steep long drop. unless you get a longboard 's-turning' down the face to slow down, the tail will plane out and spin out.
(Unless you ride a beast of a longboard like a Mickey Munoz or a LAnce Carson type heavyweight thing.)
See you out there, 100 yds down the beach.

Posted by: juice at November 11, 2005 03:59 PM

ahh, makes sense. thanks juice!

Posted by: vons at November 11, 2005 04:08 PM

now you got the juice!

Posted by: 2 pac at November 11, 2005 04:12 PM

Noticeable forerunner sets all afternoon out there.

Posted by: Walker at November 11, 2005 04:21 PM

Posted by: ? at November 11, 2005 04:44 PM

sf boards,shaper,folks,etc suck!suck!suck!!!!!!.
f...kooks.
move to another city where people don't surf and sale your boards over there.
Support your local shapers that really know how to surf.
This guys rip and of course! know how to shape great boards.
Tim grass,Roger Hinds, The neptune crew and Rickland.
So, here you have those other than the above mentioned, the rest are kooks and their boards suck!.

Posted by: brian at November 11, 2005 04:46 PM

oH,I forgot...
There is another sf shaper, his name is Jason and shapes with SF as well.
So, in other words he sucks.
KOOK!!!!

Posted by: Bryan at November 11, 2005 04:48 PM

At least learn english if your gonna bag on people.

Posted by: Whats wrong with sf? at November 11, 2005 05:03 PM

Hey ruayan,

Did yo no klye B shaps fo sf too and Jeff johnson road his fishez in chile. It was in Surfer Journal, kook.

It appeers that I seam to surf the sf boards better than you could anyway so what the F do you know. It does not matter how good the shaper surf ya fricken ignernt pansy.

You r a mispellign tranny half-girl.

Posted by: Briyan is REtardid at November 11, 2005 05:47 PM

hoping to find a spot tomorrow shielded enough to be surfable by moi. lake merced, maybe.

Posted by: kloo at November 11, 2005 06:20 PM

cockroaches!

Posted by: SF namer at November 11, 2005 06:41 PM

Hey Ian. Glad to hear your taking it all in. Maybe you can catch some waves in Sicily. Wish I were there.

Posted by: Dennis at November 11, 2005 06:57 PM

Wow - you shards of time and place have certainly and succinctly "lost it." Fitting I suppose; your ilk.
WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE WHY DON'T YOU KILL YOURSELVES!

Posted by: Ian at November 11, 2005 07:03 PM

Hey Brian or Ryan,
What's with da vibe bro!
It seems like you had a bad experience with on of John's board.
You know what! don't use my name or any other shaper's name to insult other people.
Not every board is perfect, not even Merricks.
I think what the problem here is you. I think you are just another frustrated kook.
Rich

Posted by: Rickland at November 11, 2005 07:08 PM

Bagel, I think that girl on the very top would be an 8, if she had bigger boobs and butt. She's too slim for my tastes.

I think she ranks high on the scales on here, because, quite frankly, you guys have lived in Nor Cal for way too long. You just don't see a lot of fine hot girls up here... sigh.

The second Kaiser post has got some nice ta-ta's.

Posted by: at November 11, 2005 07:38 PM

the girl on top is like 13.

Posted by: at November 11, 2005 08:15 PM

goose bumps

Posted by: at November 11, 2005 08:49 PM

There are local shapers that are very good for almost any type of surfing and board you might want. They're not all equally good at all types, but if you ride their boards it is sign you know something about the local shapers. And if you are going to live here a long time you will definitely benefit from working with John and Rick and Tim Gras and Bill Hickey and Ward and the other Ward etc. Al Merrick will keep sticking his boards on the rack, but he's never going to be a friendly face, or an encouraging word, or go the extra mile for you. Heck, Bill Hickey repairs dings on his own boards for free! Now, the Merrick is a good shape, but I guarantee you at least three local shapers can make you a better board for OB.

The Flyer is a good board, Ian, I used it for the thruster RFS (mainly I didn't have time to wait for a custom). It is not good in hollow or bigger waves, the rails and bump-wing are not suitable for it. But it rips for generating speed on smaller waves. And overhead waves are alright unless it gets hollow, then the board just ain't the right tool for the job. Sort of a real good small wave thruster.

Posted by: blakestah at November 12, 2005 05:56 AM

Now, the Merrick is a good shape, but I guarantee you at least three local shapers can make you a better board for OB.

Posted by: wrong at November 12, 2005 06:10 AM

What would you say is each of these shapers specialty? It seems like tim gras is not very reachable, at least someone posted that earlier which is kind of a minus in my book. I like people to be professional.

For example who can make me a kick ass performance fish?

Posted by: at November 12, 2005 07:42 AM

Call Ward Coffey. It likely won't have 2 fins, so be cautious calling it a "fish" as the traditionalists will frown. I have 2 versions, very happy. Go with the bump swallowtail, ask for generation #2, he'll take care of the rest.

Posted by: Kaiser at November 12, 2005 03:37 PM

e, thanks for turning me on to Rhapsody. I used it a long time ago, but lost interest. I've got the free two week demo going and I am amazed at how much music they have licensed. Can you download it to your mp3 player as long as you keep paying the monthly fee?

Posted by: steve at November 12, 2005 04:15 PM

Tim Gras is very busy shaping and doing other things for the community.
You can talk to John(SF) or Rich(Rickland).
I'm sure one of them will make you a sick board.
Rich surf amolst everyday and many riders using his boards. He makes sick ass artwork as well.
John is more retro and will make you a good single.
Give them a call and support your local shapers.

Posted by: Robbie at November 12, 2005 04:54 PM

yeaahhhhhhhh!!!!

Posted by: at November 12, 2005 04:54 PM

yowza!

Posted by: banjo at November 12, 2005 07:15 PM

a 6'6" flyer is the only merrick i've tried. it's 20 X 2 3/4. i weigh 195. i use it more than any other shortboard i own. don't take it traveling to reefy locations-slips when it's steep. but it paddles well, it is fast, loose, & predictable. the borderline lb/sb board. fun waves today north of the gate.

Posted by: jfo at November 12, 2005 08:50 PM

Who surfed OB today? Much respect to those who did. I am hoping the swell will die off a bit for sunday.

Posted by: at November 12, 2005 11:12 PM

OB looked like shit today. Whoever paddled out into that was desperate.

Posted by: at November 13, 2005 12:28 AM

That's not a dis on Merrick. There are things somewhat unique to OB that affect rail shape, bottom contours, and especially tail width/wp that you won't find well-tuned on a Merrick.

Posted by: blakestah at November 13, 2005 05:08 AM

Got insomnia Bstah?

Posted by: Dennis at November 13, 2005 06:26 AM

SF Chronicle article on Matt Warshaw:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/11/13/SPG3AFNFCA1.DTL

Posted by: steve at November 13, 2005 10:39 AM

no insomnia, I'm at a conference in DC for a few days.

Posted by: blakestah at November 13, 2005 10:49 AM

More briefings on the Guantanamo Bay project?

Posted by: as you were at November 13, 2005 12:23 PM

I am Googling conferences in DC right now. I'll find out what you do and where you are moving to, gawd dammit.

Posted by: bstah stalker at November 13, 2005 12:31 PM

hey blakestah,

i understand where you're coming from quiting surfing for a while. i've taken a break 3-4 times in my 20 years in the water. no shame.

i tend to burn out on fellow surfers and consecutive days of shitty surf. i think that is what sets me off.

however moving 25 miles inland is my latest excuse. putting surfboard and wetsuit in the car and driving 30 minutes is a burn-me-out.

anyway, there's other shit to do out there. surfings a lot of hype sometimes, so you're not missing much.

Posted by: turk at November 13, 2005 02:36 PM

Posted by: at November 13, 2005 03:28 PM

I heard dat.

Posted by: MSG at November 13, 2005 05:51 PM

Takes me 45 minutes to get to any beach, but I've had a 20 year layoff from surfing, so I'll keep my stoke for another few years.

Posted by: steve at November 13, 2005 08:47 PM

45 Minutes? Sounds like a member of NLO (Novato Locals Only!).

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