E's Surf Report

coltrane is the man. digging the electric masada e.

fun waves with nobody around on a beautiful morning! made my day.

oh i was frist psot

Lets see the co-worker;-)

save the waves - william henry photos

e - about Brian...it's not good. I wanted to share this with you first before you heard it from someone else.

It turns out Brian was no where near Bodega on Sunday morning. He never made it home from the city on
Saturday night. I got this photo second hand from a source (who never should have been there in the first
place either). Apparantly Brian ventured deep into the Tenderloin on Saturday afternoon and hasn't emerged
since. We're afraid he's fallen into the hands of the Meth Marauders, turning tricks for crank and, according
to this picture, loving every minute of it.

ugh, no thanks needles. that joke attempt is not worth posting that creepy picture.

cute dog, and it looks like coworker has a nice rack!

yeah...needles post is a bit sketchy - but so are dudes who get excited when e posts a pic of a coworker's dog.

mother ocean was very kind this morning....much thanks...oh, nice coffee cup (or is that for spare change to cum

Save the waves should be called

"exploit the hell out of secret waves so rich gringos can go surf the world, take pictures and expose in the name of conservation"

I'm not aware they have actually made any positive difference, i.e. things panned out for the waves for or against them regardless of any influence this organization had. Typically 3rd world countries whose economic security is more important than surfing, other factors influence their decisions.

However the waves they claim they have "saved" (which typically is not the case) many were secret spots that have now been "ruined" thanks to the exposure. I have surfed one spot before with 2 people in the H20 and after with almost 100???

Will seems like a nice guy, with his heart in the right place, but I think more damage has been done than good. I cannot willingly contribute knowing that my hard earned cash goes to fuel this guys dream surf trips and world travel lifestyle that results is local secrets exposed.

Comments...

save the waves = living the american dream

cows shot -
looks like the bixby ranch cows
grazing on the coast overlooking tarantulas
cowboys down their are real jewels
on a rampage to keep the surfers from accessing the beach
even "ticketed" my truck early dawn last summer while i was sleeping inside pulled over off the highway

Thought I’d pick up yesterday’s thread, someone asked…

First day at Lindy? October 1st 2004 – also first day of surfing ever. I was on my friend’s (he’s now my boyfriend – go figure) beautiful 9 foot Hawaiian Iggy/Nash . Looking back I can’t believe he gave a total novice such a beautiful board to paddle out on. At the time I was embroiled in a vicious business litigation, really ugly stuff and after about a year of judges and lawyers it was taking a severe toll on my emotional, financial and physical well being. It couldn’t have been very big that day because I made it to the outside (with a little coaching from my friend) after playing around in the white water and catching a ride on some inside ripples. I clearly remember how I was both terrified and thrilled as I made it over the incoming waves and then barely being able to balance as I sat on my board and attempted to blend in once I was in the line-up. It wasn’t sunny, but I was humbled contemplating the vast Pacific as I gazed out toward Pedro Point and into the mist beyond. I felt a flutter in my stomach that I hadn’t experienced since I was a kid and still believed in Santa. I got my first wave that day but that wasn’t the moment I knew I was hooked. I knew I was hooked when I was changing out of my rented wetsuit in the frigid morning air. I realized that for the past hour and a half, I didn’t think of one other thing, not the lawsuit, not my diminishing savings, not my lawyers. I was completely and utterly in the present moment, fully and totally alive. I knew at that moment I was going surfing again as soon as possible and that my life was going to change.

So yeah, I missed out on “gromhood” and I get a bit squeamish when it’s overhead and I still make tons of mistakes but I’ve never regretted one second in the water. As a woman, I don’t expect special treatment in the line-up and I always appreciate good manners from both sexes. I smile at my fellow humans/surfers and do my best to live the Aloha spirit here in California. Most of the time people reflect that back to me. It’s a good way to live. Peace & surf.
(hola JK)

This all reminds me of that lady who just stands on her skateboard in front of the beach chalet every morning lately. With her wise racks hooked up to the back of her truckbed. she probably has a surfrider foundation sticker on her window. Annoying.

"still new" you rock!

thanks sacto for posting a pic of the
"coworker"

nope, cow shot is much further north than bixby ranch.

I started surfing in 1993. I bought a used soft longboard and a wetsuit from Wise. They told me in the shop to go to Pacifica to learn.

I went out at the Pacifica pier 3 or 4 times, until someone saw me and told me to drive down to Linda Mar. I was amazed how much easier Linda Mar was than the Pacifica pier.

save the waves is a piece of shit. what you said is right-on. like will henry and his band of monied hippie bros are gonna save a place like madeira. fucking retards.

What is up with that asian woman? She seems like she likes to party, though. Every morning on her long skate. I have never seen her paddle out and she actually gave me a glare.

The worst part of surfing is the "scene". The best part is surfing.

First Ocean Beach:

Rode N-Judah (no car), changed in the dunes, stashed stuff, got nowhere fast in the water, suddenly outside, pearled every time, got out of the water at Cliff House, walked back, changed, rode N-Judah to US Mint, walked home to 17th and Dolores.

First Lindamar:

Went with Friend #1...then he was Friend #2 (name changed when Friend #1 essentially decided to drink mroe than surf). Anyway, rode waves for about 4-6 hours in one session at the Boathouse. I was shouted at by a longboarder for my poor standing up skills (Stand up! You are frustrating me! Stand up!!!!) I was a better surfer at the end of the day, but lost all skill by next session.

1st Lindy - WSA surf contest 82 or 83. I placed 4th, Ragnar won.

Nice! I was there yesterday in DT, pretty amazing, so many families. many of my students were there too.

i didn't realize that pic was sf when i posted it. this issue really hits home for me. i live in the mission and ALL of the burrito places were shutdown yesterday. and during yesterday's lunch i drove out to the sunset (i work near presidio) to my favorite burrito place and it was closed! how dumb am i? fark. then I got shit on by a bird at the beach. what a crappy day.

First Linda Mar:

Was up for a weekend with a date (lived in Laguna Bch at the time) that was going from bad to worse every minute. Borrowed my friend's board and wetsuit and he took me to Lindy. It was January and about 6-8 ft closeouts. Couldn't understand where everyone was? Got some fun drops, went in and instead of uncomfortable silence on the flight back to SoCal, I had uncomfortable silence with dancing closeouts in my head.

First OB:
Moved to the Richmond neighborhood but left my car and board in SoCal. Borrowed (see any trends?) a longboard and went out with my roommate to overhead WFVs. Given that I was regularly surfing Huntington to Church, I had no clue. Took this late air drop (unintentionally) and faced my first full on OB washing machine hold down. Came up to a guy saying, incredible drop! Strange compliment given how worked I got.

Been surfing her on a hperf longboard ever since and loyalty and respect have been replacing my vitriol and fear each and every day...

E, that co-worker has a nice rig. have you partaken?

Still New - great recap! Loved the story.

Sometimes Negative - I know that girl you speak of. Actually, our friend Korewin knows her better. He hangs around with her in his neighborhood. Secretly, I think he gets coffee with her every morning.....

HAAAAA, HA!

If you want to get your U.S. citizenship, then serve in the military for two years first…prove yourselves for your freedom……it don’t come easy or cheap!

Yeah! Fuck anyone who wants shit for free. Kick them all the fuck out of here, employers will raise the pay to get help and everyone will have a living wage. Maybe they should pass an English test as well.

no burritos for you!

can you guys ever go without posting a womans ass - chest - jeez - isn't this a site to talk about the stoke of surfing... I am sure you know of all the porn sites based on the pictures you post on a regular basis - have some pride, better yet, have some class fn boys

I interviewed Will Henry and ran a feature on Save the Waves a year ago- the organization is a good one, believe me. Sure, at times he is forced to draw exposure to little known breaks overseas, but as Will put it "I'd rather have a few more people know about a wave than no wave at all".
Will pretty much single handedly saved the point breaks of Madeira, and has put great effort into other projects around the world. One of his concerns is local villages that rely on surf tourism to stay afloat; when the waves go, so do they. Saying Will Henry exlpoits waves is ridiculous- he is protecting a limited resource for all of us to enjoy. Go Will, go.

I used to rip
I used to shred
connecting with the sea
daily and in my head
waves, lips, walls, turns that could tear the enamel
off my teeth
barrels and instinct profound
for the cover up and the kiss
of a soft feathering lip...
now, dear lordy, dear lordy
I get up so slow, and my muscles are weak
is it the lack of OB surf
or is it just me turning 40?

firt Lindy- sometime in 89 with Surf Seeker Seven prior to a shift working as a waiter at Il Gallo near Union street. Rented boards at Sunlight surf shop ( that dude was always cooler than the dudes at wise, who sneered at our obvious kookdom). Surf was unbelievibly glassy and peaky, never seen lit like that since ( rarely go there anymore)

First OB- maybe 6 months later at the North end, clean and caught my first real rides. not very crowded and blissfully ingnorant of the stinkeye.

my next OB better by in the morning!

kaiser you outed me!
damnit!!

sometimes negative....i see that woman ALL THE TIME
and she bugs the crap outta me. toyota 4x4 with wise
racks in the back, (YES! on the surfrider sticker)...steal
your face on the license plate...i have never seen her in the water.

that is the thing that chafes me....back in nc
we called 'em pseudo surfers...

firt Lindy- sometime in 89 with Surf Seeker Seven prior to a shift working as a waiter at Il Gallo near Union street. Rented boards at Sunlight surf shop ( that dude was always cooler than the dudes at wise, who sneered at our obvious kookdom). Surf was unbelievibly glassy and peaky, never seen lit like that since ( rarely go there anymore)

First OB- maybe 6 months later at the North end, clean and caught my first real rides. not very crowded and blissfully ingnorant of the stinkeye.

my next OB better by in the morning!

interesting how you losers on here are more interested in some ugly dog on some chick's knees than with a sick pic of a wave above it. get a fucking life, kooks.

Please, another one of those waves will be along in about another 17 seconds. It's takes a lot longer than that to produce a nice rack.

First OB - 1967. I was 2 years old and paddled out at Kelly's on a Weber Performer. The board was a little big for me at the time, but I still ripped. Came in after about an hour, pounded a beer, smoked a joint and hung out by the fire trying to warm up for another session.

I'm now 40 years old, and still not considered a local since I was actually born in NJ before my parents moved to SF.

Spring cleaning sale

I'm selling some stuff I love but will probably never use again:
- Jobson Dynamic Balance Twinzer 7'6" x 21.5" diamond tail hybrid. A few dings. $160
- Coffey Twinzer 7'10" x 19.5" Gun. Stealth tail. Very fast. Some delam in the back foot area. Otherwise in decent shape. $185
-Yakima racks. Have to check th model. I used them on an Integra. Good condition. $75
-Excel 4/3 Infiniti wetsuit. Used for 1 year. $50

email if interested: kdalle at sbcglobal.net

(e-if this is not OK to post just remove it. Thanks.)

A little cutie on a skateboard with a 4x4... annoying? hmmm.I see her alot, but I find her a curiosity--though not too curious cuz I'm married and three times her age.

Yeah, that chick on the offroad board doesn't seem that annoying to me either...what the hell are you people complaining about. I see her every morning, and I am in fact down there every morning at around 7am. Usually she's carving up and down the parking lot, or else watching the waves...yeah, pretty annoying I guess.

This is generally an easily annoyed group, no?

sactomex is one of those creeps who sits in his cubicle and beats off to pornsites all day.

"forced to draw exposure to little know breaks" what a bullshit justification that is..

Slugger does save the waves guy use the foundation budget to go on sick surf trips or does he do that on his own dime and use the donations for the legal efforts, etc.? I'll base my support on the answer to that question.

I know for a fact he uses foundation money to go on sick surf spot and scope new ones- that may have some remote possibility of becoming endangered. crap

Forced to draw exposure- total crap.

Most of these communities HAVE NO PREVIOUS SURF INDUSTRY BECAUSE THEY ARE SECRET SPOTS.

They are small fishing villages, that need harbors or a breakwall to protect their homes. Offering surf tourism as a resource after the fact, does not count in my book. Most of the locals would rather be fisherman with their spot still secret- just ask them.

Who typically runs surf camps???? GRINGOS and FORIGENERS. Does this really benifit the community or provide and money for a lifestyle

see-through granny panties rule!

pretty much, that sums me up

Surf this morning was sick, beooootchhhh!!!

1st Lindy, in the country for a week, rented a softy from Sonlight, straight out at Crespi in OH closeouts. Loved every minute of it.

how is he "saving" the waves by exposing them? sounds like an endless boondoggle to get to go surf funded by non-profit donations.

Sactomex, welcome back, we missed the onions. how was Cabo?

All of you that can remember your first surf at OB or Linda Mar aren't smoking enough.

e - your Coltrane poem is beautiful - right on braa

first OB surf-
1992. drove up from San Luis with Jim Crooks, it was foggy, couldnt see the waves, paddled out at the ramp after suiting up in hood and booties (i thought it would be freezing), it was warm and the waves were overhead and glassy, got very fun and uncrowded waves. Thanks Jim!
from that point on, i knew OB had good surf, so i moved here and brought 30 of my friends from the central coast (central coast is not santa cruz). i named it and i claimed it, is vague still vogue?

ok lets get down to brass tax.

i demand a current surf report!

BAY AREA FORECLOSURES UP! TWO YEAR HIGH!!! BRING IT ON!!!!

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/02/BUG21IJ8D33.DTL

Surf looked doable, but you're really not missing anything.

I overheard a guy in Wise telling his bud on a Cell phone that it was way better than Cronkite.

Like that is saying something.

1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).

(All 10 above from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare. http://www.cis.org/

Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

The cost of illegal immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University].

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

YOU LIKE THE WAY YOUR TAXES ARE BEING SPENT?

thanks!

Scared white people suck!

Amazing how many self-absorbed Bay Area residents are living beyond their means on money they don't have or never had. I say bring the pain and let them learn the hard way.

racism=reality

that was regarding the above-posted foreclosure article, BTW

I can't believe nobody mentioned the fact that Asian skater chick always has on clubbing clothes. I swear, she *always* looks like she's just stepped out of a club...dressed to the 9's, she is. And last week, she had a friend of hers in a car "towing" her in to "waves". I about shat myself laughing so hard. I also spotted her at that surf/art/fashion thing @ 111 Minna.

And of course, who can forget tiny little Asian body surfer chick who runs and throws herself spread eagle in to ankle deep water in an attempt to body surf.

And finally, my favorite, the 2 middle-aged Russian women bathers in their bikinis bringing their buckets down to the water.

I OB & it's quacks.

Cabo was all sun and no surf...
Chest high and shallow, pumping over the reef and scraping my fins on the rocks
But nice to be in the warm water, shirtless and soaking it in

Yah, Ancient Jetties, YAH!!!
Bring it on!!! We are talking Real Estate MELTDOWN!!!

Somebody on this blog has probably nailed that asian OB parking lot skater chick. Come on, fess up.

ps- KIX = Yawn x2

current surf report demander guy, i'm not white, i'm asian, but i am legal.

again, dont spin this into racism, that is a cop-out excuse.

Willing to Give- Can't say I know where all his funding goes, but I know he's got an office in Davenport with two employees (as of last year) who field calls from surfers across the world in order to combat governments/developers etc...
And no, Save the Waves doesn't expose every break it helps preserve, that's why you don't hear about many of its successes.
Waves are a resource. They need protection, and Surfrider, for the most part, doesn't handle international issues.
Will Henry is also a free-lance photo-journalist and gets published in the surf mags (check out the current issue of Surfing) to pay his bills. If you have something against that, fine, but I'm not going to waste my time arguing about the pros/cons of surf media.

I meant, I (heart) OB.

I think my brackets caused some sort of HTML meltdown.

I've seen the Russian women down by the water. We all do something many Russians love to do: jumping into cold water. They say it is therapeutic to hange body temperature from hot to cold, hot to cold. Apparently this stimulates all sorts of good activity in your bod (immunity, cell repair, brain activity etc). My friend and local ripper Sean C and I came up with this idea a few years ago: for $1 we dump a bucket of cold OB water over your head. Landlubbers can get all the "medicinal properties" of the ocean w.o the risk. Yeah, bucket of ocean on your head, awesomeness! ;^)

thanks tj. coltrane is the man!

digging on Zorn now too.

Over half of my taxes go to fund a war that is total bullshit, that I never supported from the beginning! Wake up you anti-immigrant posters, if you're not racist, and really only concerned about how your tax dollars are being wasted, then why don't you turn your focus to the biggest drain our govenment coffers....

Iranian standoff == higher gas prices
Higher gas prices == richer Texans

REALITY guy does your net cost of illegal immigrants take into account how much cheaper a lot of stuff we buy is because of them? Imagine how much paying $5 for a head of lettuce, probably 10%-20% more for every restaurant meal, etc. etc. would drain on the economy.

I will also take the under on #2 and #3 on your list that is bullshit.

About the welfare stuff - that sucks, but reform welfare, don't kick out all the hard working immigrants. Makes sense no?

Why do people keep bringing up immigration shit on a surf blog?

it's cool REALITY not RACISM, it's just that one of the scariest thing to me is a race war. I know that's extreme, and unlikely, and maybe even stupid, but this country has seen better days. shit is divided. I love having mexicans around unless there perving on my girlfriend and i would much rather give them my tax dollars for bringing burritos to my country than some fucker who's allready totally rich and fucking some poor worker. Our tax dollars to to alot more fucked up places im saying. also, you dont have to be white to be racist and polarized polotics suck.

4 years of illegal immigration equals cost of Iraqi war.

My mexican, spanish-speaking, first generation grandmother is hella racist against mexicans from Mexico, and is always baffled why I want to vacation there.

51% of federal budget = pentagon's slice of the pie

REBOOT:

Truth: been surfing over 10 years and never really gotten barrelled.

embarrassed: have you tried? sometimes it just takes some consciousness of where you are on the wave and a new approach. if its steep and hollow instead of taking off down the line drag your hand and tuck in, see what happens. you'll get worked a few times but will probably start to figure it out.

Yeah right slugger, unbroadcasted sucesses!

If there were any it would be another screensaver on the site, and another tshirt and another "selling point" plastered all over the site, surf mags, etc.

what a joke, I don't think so.

REBOOT OK / ERROR: UNDEFINED

Please, this whole immigration issue is a distraction from the iraq war and the coming iran war. It's a non issue, the mexicans havn't made yours or anyone else's life suck. Demogogic politicians are just trying to manipulate the easily manipulated.

Now back to surfing talk, and especially where it relates to Brian.

embarrassed:
I'd suggest buying my new DVD: Kelly Slater's "How To Get Into Gaping Tubes and Tight Supermodels."

so do spoiled surf report demanders...

Thanks "feeling helpful." I'll try to look for the barrel more and hang back instead of looking for the lip like i usually do.

you guys need to wake up. Illegal immigrants, mostly from Mexico and Central America, cost our State alone Billions in unpaid taxes, reduced wages, increased medical, car, and life insurance. There is more pollution, trash, disease and strain on our schools. Sure your artichoke is 24 cents cheaper but the ultra rich farm owner, developers, fast food restraunt owners, (as well as the 1000's of other employers)are raking it in because they pay super low wages. All you liberals bitch about low wages when all of this illegal labor force is drastically reducing the wages for the jobs they are taking. And if you think they are taking jobs "we" won't do go to the shipyards, construction sites, go everywhere and you will find them. Talk to your teenage brothers, nieces, nephews and see how hard it is for them to get a summer job. Our prisons are jammed full of the rejects from Mexico. You cannot argue that it is not a serious drain on our nation. MAKE MEXICO AND CENTRAL AMERICA stop operating corrupt societies, keep them in their own countries and let them rise up, rebel, have a civil war in their own country and make it right.

Here is my opinion on ILLEGAL immigration. I am not against immigration. I am against illegal immigration. Calling an illegal immigrant an undocumented worker or just an immigrant is an injustice to all the legal immigrants who came to this country. I support new legislation that would create a immigrant worker visa. I also support the building of a wall along the Mexican border.
Well that's my opinion anyway.

There are very few mexicans who surf in cali, so i can care less.

Embarrassed,
I've been surfing for 25 years and have never gotten a barrel on purpose and made it out. My problem is that I like to go as fast as possible. I can not help it. As soon as I catch a wave I go as fast as I can and cut back hard, then do it again. I have only recently started trying to get barrelled but have yet to succeed. The funny thing is people think I'm a good surfer. I could never admit to them my lack of barrels.

If you read/look around, the sentiment below is a pretty common opinion from inside the immigrant culture:

[excerpt]
Miguel Cruz, who came to the United States from Peru at age 9 and works for the Social Security Administration, said Monday's demonstrators "are demonstrating that they really are not immigrants. They don't act like immigrants. They don't behave like immigrants. Immigrants are those who come here legally and those who remain here legally. ... Immigrants are proud and grateful to be here and eager to learn English, eager to assimilate and acculturate. Real immigrants will embrace and obey the laws of America."
[/excerpt]

Me, I like the Latinos, sure, but I strongly believe they need to follow the same path to legitimate citizenship or they will be looked upon as second-rate. My own grandparents did all the hard work naturalizing and adjusting (and most of all they truly had their hearts in it) so that these people don't have to? I think not. You cannot just have it fall into your lap here.

Unlss you're backdooring a throwing lip, you have to kind-of stall the board to puinsai, people who never get barreled are more or less skimming and not quite pressing down hard aenough against the uplift of water (to initiate the stall). Get your heels into it and lean back.

Jesus, sorry to be such a know-it-all overposter today. Slow here, thanks for the outlet, e.

truth is being spoken today. will the people really get it? at least turn the faucet off and stop the bleeding.

Thanks jes for recapping the Republican talking points on the immigration issue for us. Karl Rove is smirking in satisfaction somewhere.

by the way, if it matters, that was me ^^^

can we get back to more important issues besides immigration issue...namely, my "rack" and/or my dog? :)

jk

jaques haas, your 'Karl Rove' comments are tired. if someone has a conservative view, or a view different from yours, then it is a 'Karl Rove' opinion. it's kinda like saying if you are against ILLEGAL immigration, then you are a racist. very generic.

get a real opinion and dont hide behind the name calling. Thanks.

I keep trying to pimp my films on this blog. google for more info

Yes sir!

For the record, I never acused anyone of racism. looks like i totally agree with sactomex on at least 2 things, poltics and onions.

I'm Mexican, my mom was undocumented (illegal), that said I don't believe we should open the borders and let people flood in. I don't think that it should be easy to get here, and it isn't, never has been. But a third of my students are illegal and half have a family member that is illegal. I see them as real people, people I care about. they are doing what many of you would do for your families, work tirelessly so one day your kids won't have too(suposedly).

Part of the culture of California is Chicano Latino Raza always has been. My grandfather was a native of Arizona who migrated to Salinas before the depression and then was deported to Mexico when the Okies arrived. He never came back to America. I have a lot of relatives in Mexico, who come into the US and leave the US with no intention of ever living here.

Mexico is also heavily responsible for the problem, if the government would have some cajones and stand up to the US trade policies maybe they could solve some of their problems and the people could live a better life in Mexico.

But if you have a problem with ILLEGALS don't support the businesses and products they produce... good luck.

wait wait, i meant i agree with ancient jettys on politics and sactomex on onions or maybe both on politics..oh what the fuck ever..

THERE IS MORE WHITE PEOPLE ON WELFARE, WIC AND GETTING MONEY FROM THE STATE THAN HISPANICS, ASIAS,ETC...
tHERE IS MORE WHITE PEOPLE THAT GO TO HOSPITALS AND DON'T PAY SHIT. MORE THAN INMIGRANTS.
sO WILL BE GOOD FOR THOSE HARD WORKER INMIGRANTS TO GET THEIR PAPERS. tHEY WILL PAY TAXES THEN.
WHENEVER THERE IS A CAR ACCIDENT WITH ONE OF THEM, yOU ENDUP LOOSING.
cAUSE YOU CAN'T TAKE THEM TO COURT, OR FILE ANY CLAIMS AGAINST THEM CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
THIS WILL BE A GOOD STEP FORWARD. OF COURSE!THEY SHOULD DO A SERIOUS BACKROUND CHECK AND DEPORT THE BUMS AND LAZY KOOKS OUT OF HERE. NOT THE FAMILIES OR HARD WORKING GUYS. STOP WITH THE RAZISM, AGAIN WHITE GUYS SCREW UP THEIR OWN COUNTRY MORE THAN INMIGRANTS. BELIEVE IT OR NOT!.
THIS IS AN INS OFFICER TALKING TO YOU GUYS.
MY FATHER IS PURE WHITE, THE REAL WHITE PEOPLE COME FROM EUROPE YOU MORONS. AMERICANS ARE ANOTHER MIXED UP RECE LIKE HISPANICS OR ASIANS OR WHATEVER. SO DON'T SAY YOU'R EWHITE, CAUSE WE'RE NOT. WE'RE MIXED.

Dude, did you pass the HS exit exam??

Hey Mexi,
Yes I passed, Cheating.
There you have it, white's are just as bad as those we so call the illegals.

yo mexi...

nice point. you are on it. my great grandfathers/ grandmothers all the way around were all immigrants. i am sure some of them
snuck in. when did this 'close the door behind us' metality
come to be?

i consider myself quite open minded. i like to see both sides of any given debate. locals v trannies. kooks v shralpers. immigration v no immigration. paper v plastic. small onions v big onions. kaiser v sactomex. but there's one thing, just one, where there is no room for debate. the white stripes are the lamest bunch of hacks e'er that spun a tune. oh but that hat looks good on you though. i bet you get a free bowl of soup with that hat.

whats up guys.

I stand and fight with Hunter.

Look on this whole immigration debate...the problem (imho) is that it's a case of the horse having already bolted.

You can make sensible arguments for both sides sure.

But the reality is that you have 12m or so illegals who are a massive part of the economy.

You cannot give them all amnesty.
You cannot send them all home.

It's very difficult to find some sensible, enforceable middle ground.

Which is why sod all has been done on this upto now. There is no sensible solution that doesn't cause massive problems.

It's the usual US dichotomy. Wanting it everyway. Turning a blind eye to something wrong cause we benefit. Then complaining at the same thing because we think it's unfair.

Welcome to reality.

I cannot think of a sensible solution. My money is on the fact that NOTHING of any significance will happen.

No doubt they will spin some BS - but there is no simple fix right now.

my 2c

which hunter?

would you stand and fight with an undocumented alien tho?

so has anybody slept with that girl in the lot or what?

Pleae drop this thread. Time for bed, boys and girls.

MY FATHER IS PURE WHITE AND I CANT EVEN SPELL. I TYPE IN ALL-CAPS BECAUSE I HAVE A SMALL COCK. I SPEW OUT BULLSHIT FACTS ABOUT EMERGENCY ROOMS AND LAWSUITS AND I AM REALLY GAY FOR HUNTER. I WANT TO SMOKE HIS LITTLE POLE.

i bet "e" is nailing his co-worker. looks like she has a nice little setup there.

Let's get all the talking points on the table, jacques

Illegals do a LOT of low wage work in the USA, and that has a LOT of economic value to the USA.

Illegals depress wages for blue collar work in the USA.

That wage depression fights inflation.

Illegals receive a lot of government services, medicare and welfare, despite the fact that they are not citizens.

Many illegals use phony SS numbers and pay into Social Security, a LOT of money, despite the fact that they will never be able to collect it.

Illegals commit WAY WAY WAY too much crime in the southern California area. Illegals bring WAY WAY WAY too many rare diseases into the USA. Part of legal immigration is a health check, and criminal background check, neither of those are done on illegals, and they commit a lot of crime and bring a lot of disease (tuberculosis, leprosy, and others) into the USA.

Most of the USA were immigrants at some point.

Personally, I think every illegal should be catalogued. Checked for a criminal record. No one who has committed a felony stays. Those that are currently incarcerated get deported when they get out, and if their government doesn't want them let them incarcerate them. Those who have disease are deported if they do not have immediate medical attention needs. If they do have medical attention needs, they are treated, they have to pay for it, if they cannot pay they are deported. Anyone who cannot get a US legal employer to back them is deported.

That leaves us with illegals who
1) are not criminals
2) are healthy
3) are working

They all have to perform a period of indentured servitude. This means they pay extra tax for 5 years. They are paid at legal US wage rates. Then they are citizens. If they commit a felony in the meanwhile, they get deported. Zero tolerance for criminals who are immigrants. In essence, this would admit our immigration is currently too slow, and provide a mechanisms for speeding it up, while at the same time putting some checks on immigrations for people who will be a net loss were they to immigrate.

Moraga, Noriega, Ortega, Pacheco, Quintara, Rivera, Santiago, Ulloa and Vicente were all named after immigrants. And, I’m pretty sure that Judah and Sloat showed up in San Francisco sometime after them. Irving, however, was actually named after a local Jewish delicatessen owner although his family was originally from Russia.

Oh, and despite all the fusing done by our "Local Boyz," Kelly's Cove was not named after a little girl. Yep, there was a time when the Irish came here to do the work that earlier immigrants refused to do.

Hey Spiderman,

Was that you posting in the Journal at Fish Head Beach?

If so, you may have some 'splainin' to do about all the devil drawing on the Driftwood.

REALITY not RACISM-

Center for Immigration Studies is a rightwing thinktank formed to support the more activist work of the anti-immigrant Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). Anything you get from them is completely biased.

Look, you can argue any way you like on immigration. The problem, and the solution, lies with business. Business wants low wage workers, which has been the enduring theme of the US since slave were being imported. Corporations have always controlled the US and have always made laws to keep low wage workers. The two party system is perfect for sustaining this. The church also helps sustain this.

You want to stop it?

You have to elect representatives who will go after businesses. Any officers and employers of business, along with individuals, who employ illegal aliens or use contract labor consisting of illegal aliens, have to face serious fines and/or jail time. If the work goes away, illegal immigration stops.

Now I certainly feel for immigrants who are only trying to earn a living and increase there standard of living, but we have citizens who can no longer do the same because of the influx of illegals depressing wages. I also feel for the immigrants because they are easily exploited by employers.

I don't know what to do with those already here, but we can stop more from coming by passing and inforcing laws against businesses who use illegal labor.

Do you think the corporate whores in government will pass such laws? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Never.

Oh, also, almost everything REALITY not RACISM is pure bullshit, as if you did not already know. Man, if he really wants to defend 'Murica, whi isn't he in Iraq. He should fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here. He can shoot brown people over there! (I bet he gets wood when he reads that, but I bet he is already a member of the 82nd Chairborne or the 101st Keyboard Fighters!)

Oh, I love that cow and surf shot. Such a combination of images you do not normally seen together is really great!

Surf Cow!

http://www.fenichel.com/surfingcow.shtml

surf horse

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