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I didn't surf this morning... but it looks doable if you like it small and mellow. Blakestah predicts a slight increase in windswell for tomorrow and thursday.. soo we could be locking into a zesty pit or two this time manana? who knows. The wind is light out of the SW.

Not much in the way of major low-pressure systems anywhere in the Pacific right now (according to my newbie interpretation of stormsurf atmospheric models.)The Indian ocean has a phatty system right between capetown and western australia. Margaret River and Indo spots will most likely be niceness in a day or two. The "roaring 40's" in the southern hemisphere seem to be the most significant swell-producing latitude on earth (40th latitude). If you look at a globe you'll notice that the 40th latitude is almost all water. Lots of room for storms to amass. Lots of water to move around. Plenty of area for swell to germinate and then radiate outward... maturing and coalescing... marching toward shore. You might have also noticed that the west coast of most land-masses receive more swell then the east coast.. morocco and france more than the eastern us. California and mexico more than florida and venezuala. Chili more than brazil. Chili more than papa new guinea. oregon more than japan. If i'm not mistaken it's because of the coriolis effect. The spin of the earth on it's axis causes most storms to travel west to east. pushing winds and swell in a generally eastward direction. Exceptions include the typhoons that rip up past the Philippines into japan and the hurricanes that make east coast surfers happy..

meeting for me.. lates..

e

dammit, i forgot to pack a belt AND boxers before headed to the gym this morning!! DOH!

Posted by: commando j at August 10, 2004 10:29 AM

ride the bus, ride the bus with us.

Posted by: bagel at August 10, 2004 10:32 AM

Interesting. I always thought it was the jet stream.....

Check out these other facts.

Population of counties won by:
Gore=127 million
Bush=143 million


Square miles of land won by:
Gore=580,000
Bush=2,2427,000

States won by:
Gore=19
Bush=29

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore=13.2
Bush=2.1


Translation:

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the
territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the
taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory
largely encompassed those citizens living in
government-owned tenements and living off government
welfare..."

Posted by: tomstah at August 10, 2004 10:37 AM


Check the snopes entry on that. Like all good propoganda, some of it is almost true, and the rest is false.

Posted by: at August 10, 2004 10:45 AM

Got in late from work & read the banter. It is always good. The truck episode is playing itself out- should have it back today or tomorrow. Crazy to think that petty vandals might have done something so dangerous (the friend who helped me out asked if I pissed anyone in the water off- I hope not as I was surfing alone- not even w/in shouting distance of anyone for 99% of my session. And the truck is so new to me that anyone harboring a grudge wouldn't know it is mine, maybe someone had it in for the previous owner?) My anal maintenance before I left for Yosemite three weeks ago included filling the tires and (hand) checking the lugs. The wheels aren't anything special- stock rims w/ tires that need to be replaced in the next 1000mi. Could CK be right that someone just wanted to send a random message to the weekend invaders that SMC is their territory? I BVB on track when he says that Montara sucks and one should never leave OB? I've been surfing SMC since I moved here in the late 80's and have seen some of my best California days at a few nameless (granted not Montara) spots South of the beloved OB. I can't see stopping the drive when OB isn't on.

In other news, tomorrow night at hte Bottom of the Hill: Dirty Power & Hammers of Misfortune. Two local metal acts that bring the rock. Maybe some of the guitar heads in the audience want to hear some Marshall mud?

http://www.dirtypower.net/
http://www.hammersofmisfortune.com/

Posted by: goodmorning at August 10, 2004 10:45 AM

I'll edit the "facts" and inject "opinions"

But interesting nonetheless.

Just like Fahrenheit 9/11. Interesting opinions.

Posted by: tomstah at August 10, 2004 10:58 AM

A beautiful woman loved growing tomatoes, but couldn't seem to get her tomatoes to turn red. One day while taking a stroll she came upon a gentlemen neighbor who had the most beautiful garden full of huge red tomatoes.
The woman asked the gentlemen, "What do you do to get your tomatoes red?"
The gentlemen responded, "Well, twice a day I stand in front of my tomato garden and expose myself, and my tomatoes turn red from blushing so much."
The woman was so impressed, she decided to try doing the same thing to her tomato garden to see if it would work. So, twice a day for two weeks she exposed herself to her garden hoping for the best.
One day the gentlemen was passing by and asked the woman, "How did you make out? Did your tomatoes turn red?"
"No" she replied, "but my cucumbers are enormous.

Posted by: 3to5setsof7 at August 10, 2004 10:59 AM

Looks like im moving to Boston(marshfield area)
Anyone know of any surf spots i could check out ?
or should i just stay in the library on campus the whole time?

Posted by: at August 10, 2004 11:07 AM

i'll bet the crabs got pissed from all the surfers in their house and loosened the lugnuts!!

Posted by: j at August 10, 2004 11:09 AM

Thanks for posting the link to the movie, blakestah. Wow, that brings back memories. I went in around 9:30, before the waves got as big as towards the end of your video. The thing I love most about DP, besides surfing, is the gold/pink color the glassy surface gets when the sun pops over the hills. It feels like a different world -- oily/glassy pink and gold waves, shimmering as the sun rises.

:)

Posted by: Nate at August 10, 2004 11:11 AM

OB: if you have to ask....
Perserverance can plop you into a couple of thigh-high rights, probably more unless you're a hapless goofyfoot searching for a dumpy left.

GIANT SQUID SIGHTING!
A reliable source reports that on the morning of Tuesday, August 10, at approximately 7:00 am, a giant squid ( architeusthis dux ) was spotted near the lineup 160 meters offshore around Noriega. The squid's mantle surfaced the water within 50 meters of a surfer before it resubmerged and slowly cruised back and forth, parallel to shore, between Quintara and Ortega Streets. Estimated mantle size 2.5 meters, entire animal about 12 meters long and weighing 275 kilograms. The surfer flapped their arms and whistled Motown tunes, which appeared to repel the creature. The giant cephalopod then became distracted by a small fishing trawler and was last seen following the boat on a N/NW trajectory. Giant squids are known to frequent the area around Ocean Beach. It is suggested that caution be exercised while using this area for your ocean activity.

Posted by: s.s. sharbait at August 10, 2004 11:12 AM

CALAMARI BBQ AT OB TONITE!!!

Posted by: j at August 10, 2004 11:14 AM

nate, that video was shot, in its entirety, before 9:30. The beginning is pre-dawn, and the end perhaps 8:30 or 9. Waves were then, and frequently are, different in size at different parts of the beach.

Posted by: blakestah at August 10, 2004 11:28 AM

Bush = country
Gore = city

country = alabama, texas, idaho, etc.
city = SF, Boston, NYC, etc.

country = more land, less murders, etc.
city = less land, more murders, etc.

Besides this point, the asshole has run a major deficit and were in a war that makes all americans look like country hicks.

Posted by: jersey_frankie at August 10, 2004 11:45 AM

that open water movie link. anyone see it? i don't understand how to download that. would be interesting to see on my big laptop monitor though.... any suggestions?

Posted by: a at August 10, 2004 11:49 AM

i wish Gore was president.

Posted by: e at August 10, 2004 11:58 AM

i wish more people got involved in politics, even if on the city level, rather than complaining about the leaders.

Posted by: j at August 10, 2004 12:01 PM

that being said, i'm getting involved.

I NOMINATE E FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!
AND BVB FOR VICE PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!

(good to have a cabinet that doesn't all think the same way, promotes discussion and different views on ideas)

Posted by: j at August 10, 2004 12:02 PM

SHARKBAIT FOR CIA DIRECTOR OR WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLING THAT POSITION THESE DAYS!!!!!!

Posted by: j at August 10, 2004 12:03 PM

LESS murders in the country?? You tried outrunning a 30-06 shell from 200 yards??

Posted by: Prancer at August 10, 2004 12:06 PM

Some interesting reading about Kelvin Waves. I neer heard of them til last week. They are warm water movements across the Pacific from Indo toward South America.

Trade winds that normally blow from east to west across the pacific are largely responsible for eastern pacific upwellings and western Pacific warm water. When the trade winds back off for periods of time, the warm water slides back across the pacific toward South America. If the trades die for a couple months during late spring or early summer we get El Nino.

http://www.oc.nps.navy.mil/webmodules/ENSO/kelvin.html
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/05mar_kelvinwave.htm

This one is techical. http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/pubs/outstand/kess1565/data.shtml

This one has an interesting picture. Notice the angled waves being connected by horizontal waves.
http://www.galleryoffluidmechanics.com/waves/duck2.htm

This should keep you busy for a while. I'll throw another political log on the fire later ;^)

Actually, I have one in mind that is more of a criminal case of fraud with implications of racism that really pissed me off this morning. The investigated (Chinese) stated that the investigator (Westerner as she put it) is trying to discredit the Chinese population by investigating her. She made that statement in a San Francisco Chinese newspaper that is not printed in English. No comment to the English print papers. But I'll save it for later.

Posted by: Dennis at August 10, 2004 12:20 PM

Nice caribou (or is that elk?) photo! I'm sure there's plenty of crack-smokin' murders where they live.

Posted by: jersey_frankie at August 10, 2004 12:21 PM

J,

Complaints are a means to share info, whether justified or not, and inspire some of us to vote, preferably after doing research of their own and not just by listening to others. That's a pretty strong form of politcal activism (getting involved).

Being that there are now waves to talk about right now... I don't mind complaining or listening to others complain. Good complaint on your part! You got me thinking.

Posted by: Dennis at August 10, 2004 12:30 PM

e,

I've totally slacked on sending you a envelope to get a copy of BASE. Any copies still available?

Posted by: d looose at August 10, 2004 12:39 PM

whaddup d loooose.. yeahh.. a few copies of BASEmag are still available.. you can also grab one at Aqua (i think they have a few left?) and definitely at SF surf shop..

but.. i'll send you one if you want.. no problem. just email me at cranial_bulge@yahoo.com and i'll send you an email with my address and envelope size, etc.

siiick d looose..

Posted by: e at August 10, 2004 12:47 PM

I took out my center fin (6") from my 5'11 fishy type board and surfed last night with just the two side fins. It felt so tough to paddle to get into waves. Would that in fact be the case? I should note that b/c the waves were so small my buddy smoked me out proper, what you say hammer? proper....so maybe that is the reason for the sluggishness but it really felt like i wasn't paddling my normal speed.

I was getting very frustrated. Thanks.

Posted by: si at August 10, 2004 12:52 PM

Posted by: e at August 10, 2004 12:57 PM

i'm interviewing Lewis after work today.. anyone have questions they'd like to ask him?

Posted by: e at August 10, 2004 01:19 PM

Posted by: Crazy Broccoli Head! at August 10, 2004 01:22 PM

interesting blog post about surfing (over)population vs wave scarcity as a property rights issue.

Posted by: big g at August 10, 2004 01:23 PM

haha, elias, nice post yesterday. That was definately a sick sesh. Ambiguous :) elias was throwing down indies at a "secret spot."

Posted by: Ian at August 10, 2004 01:25 PM

bagel, that's a dope picture!
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Posted by: Ian at August 10, 2004 01:27 PM

blakestah: ah.. I was out at Fulton and got swept down to Lincoln (near the bunker) by the end of the session.

As far as conditions for tomorrow, looks like NW wind > 7 mph until midnight, then calmer, switching more westerly at dawn, 3 mph. Hopefully that's enough calm to give a good surface. Looks like 4 ft. 10 sec windswell on its way. Also looks like it will hold for at least 24 hours.

Posted by: Nate at August 10, 2004 01:38 PM

Stormsurf's latest cut at the potential for El Nino this year.

Posted by: dano at August 10, 2004 01:49 PM

Shit, I didn't know Prancer read this here site.

No wammies, no wammies, STOP........

Posted by: Kaiser at August 10, 2004 01:51 PM

I can't help it, these Bush comments irritate the hell out of me. Personally I hope the politics leaves this board.

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Posted by: wrybread at August 10, 2004 01:52 PM

Can I get stock in Reef?

Posted by: Kaiser at August 10, 2004 01:53 PM

Somebody make is S - T - O - P !!!!!!!!

Posted by: Kaiser at August 10, 2004 01:55 PM

for all you closet boogie-lovers, i'm making the new Vortex Bodyboards site. you can check the temporary site here, the full site will be up in a few weeks and is gonna be sick. the boards are available at Aqua.

compare and contrast the beauties above with the nasty boogie toes below:

Posted by: bbr at August 10, 2004 02:13 PM

Posted by: bbr at August 10, 2004 02:18 PM

Saw an interesting, if general, discussion of surfing protocol as a function of Locke's commons (as in tragedy of). The writer of the post calls it "property rights in action."

Posted by: redworm at August 10, 2004 02:32 PM

BTW, I was wrong above. The dominant energy is 1.6 ft @10 sec and most of the other swell is around 5 secs mush.

Posted by: Nate at August 10, 2004 02:33 PM

yo e - glad to hear you got surf this weekend! i know you were jonesing and are psyched you got back in the water! goin' surfing, awww yeah. from overhead glass to junky slop, it feels good to make a drop!

to continue the world wide swell report, i think this past weekend had to be one of the all-time sessions of the year for Mississippi and Alabama as TS Bonnie hoooked it up for them. They might get Charley too, making the Deep South the premiere surf destination for the continental U.S. this week. yeeee haw! (anyone ever surfed the South's Gulf coast?)

Posted by: j.o.c at August 10, 2004 02:49 PM

Yo! Dohs is some bad toes bbr.

Posted by: Dennis at August 10, 2004 03:12 PM


Dan Devine
Inside Out Car, 1998
alpine white with brown interior

video

Posted by: cadaver at August 10, 2004 03:16 PM

Posted by: bagel at August 10, 2004 03:30 PM

i hear ya dennis, i enjoy hearing people's complaints/rants/likes/dislikes, it's what makes this forum/the web great - people can make themselves easily heard, often anonymously thus allowing those who wouldn't usually speak out to be heard. i just get tired of negativity for negativity's sake, and i often wonder if the people who complain voted and/or have attempted to get involved to help change whatever it is they dislike. easier to complain than to make change.

God we need surf....

BAGEL FOR..UMM...SOME ARTS COALITION TYPE THING PRESIDENT!!!! OR MAYBE THE SURGEON GENERAL!?!?!

Posted by: j at August 10, 2004 04:45 PM

I love what you've done with your beaver

Posted by: at August 10, 2004 05:04 PM


Winslow Homer
The Gulf Stream, 1899

Posted by: cadaver at August 10, 2004 05:05 PM

Eeeeek! Ok - here's going off the topics - whatever it was; fins and fascists - right? Sorry folks, Bush is a fascist. Yes. Fascist.

Ethical question seeing as how it's kinda slow here today and I have time to write and I need help with a most pressing issue.
Ok, my wife and I were partying with our friends up at the R-River this weekend. It was way hot. We swam and drank margarita's - had a great lunch then I found myself alone on the deck with my friends wife and she blurts out, ' Are you happy?', her tanned breasts are hanging out of her small top and she can see I am trying not to react to them. No biggie, I say to myself - I can handle this: I say , ' Of course I'm happy - what do you mean!, why?'
'Well... I'm not', she say's and continues:
' - he's (let' s call him Bert) become so boring, sexually, and as a mate he's losing it - all he thinks and cares about is the mortgage and his ability to make the money to keep this house'... and she trials off with a heaving sigh. The entire time she's writhing like a sex starved snake in front of me - all raging nipples and flesh - I can see my wife down on the street below innocently playing with the dog and Bert is in the yard tinkering with his fucked up fence.
So today she sends me these naked photo's of herself. The four of us have been friends for over 10 years - WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO NOW?

Sorry to all you youngsters out there.

Posted by: BVB at August 10, 2004 05:18 PM

BVB--post the photos, then we can give better jusge the situation!!

Posted by: King Solomon at August 10, 2004 05:38 PM

should read JUDGE above...modern English is not my strength.

Posted by: King Solomon at August 10, 2004 05:41 PM

Re: What the fuck do I do?

You and "Bert" go have a long chat over a six-pack or four, that's what you do.

Posted by: at August 10, 2004 05:56 PM

BVB = Buddy's Vagina Booster

Posted by: Don't Do It Man! at August 10, 2004 05:58 PM

BVB- Before you ask for answers from strangers, why not answer the question yourself...what would you want Bert to do if he had a similar conversation with your wife while "fixing his fence"?

Do 'un to others....

Good luck,
The Golden Ruler

Posted by: Golden Ruler at August 10, 2004 06:00 PM

i call bullshit.

Posted by: I at August 10, 2004 06:07 PM

BVB, this happens to us all from time to time. I guess there really is only one thing you can do--when the alarm rings try to turn it off without fully waking up.

Posted by: Klooless at August 10, 2004 06:30 PM


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Elegy to the Spanish Republic LXX

Posted by: cadaver at August 10, 2004 06:33 PM

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Posted by: bagel at August 10, 2004 06:33 PM

Cadaver in the midst of this void you post Motherwell - Nice.
Ring!

Posted by: Agnes at August 10, 2004 06:50 PM

They mostly come from places you never heard of. They come from country towns where family farms can't compete with agribusiness, and they come from small or midsize cities that have been stripped of factories. I'm speaking of our dead in Iraq. (And did you know more Americans were killed in July, after Iraq was "turned over" to the Iraqis, than were killed in June? Titles and ruling bodies change, but the war remains ours.) When lists of our dead are published, information is generally confined to name, rank, age, military unit, and residence or place of birth. On these lists, big cities are rare - and it's a fair bet that, overwhelmingly, those from the big cities are people of color. (Unemployment rates for people of color run into double digits.)

Most of our dead come from the little places that the 21st century has left behind. We have made a collective decision to construct a military that depends on the poverty of such places, sending kids from the middle of nowhere to die at the ends of the Earth. Or rather, sending them to die in the middle of another nowhere, in places they can neither spell nor pronounce, to fight and/or govern people they cannot speak to, amidst a culture about which they have only the vaguest misconceptions. They are conscripts not by an act of Congress but by economic default. The factories that employed their fathers are now in China or some such place. Other people in other countries do the work that their fathers assumed was a birthright, while they serve and die, for little or no reason, and we are no safer for their sacrifice.

If that is a military to be proud of, somebody else will have to be proud of it. I'm proud of our people in uniform, but I can't be proud of how they got into their uniforms. I'm proud of their capacity for sacrifice, but not of how or why they've been sacrificed. And when I read the list of the places they left in order to die – places they no doubt wanted to see again – I read of a desperate America, an America with fewer and fewer choices about where to go and how to live.

Here is an excerpt from a list published in The Los Angeles Times, Nov. 11, 2003, titled, "An Honor Roll of Sacrifice in Iraq." What follows covers the first weeks of the war, from March 20 through June 17, 2003, and I repeat only the place names. I suggest you read it aloud. It'll get to you. It is a new American geography – a geography of places with fewer and fewer choices, fewer and fewer opportunities, where the young would rather risk death than endure the death-in-life of towns where most shops on Main Street have long since been boarded up. Mostly these are places you've never heard of, places you could drive through in minutes, places we have no reason to remember anymore except for how their children have become names on a list of the dead:

Waterville, Maine ... Saint Anne, Illinois ... Houston ... Baltimore ... Harrison County, Mississippi ... Los Angeles ... La Mesa, California ... Smithville, Missouri ... Buffalo, New York ... Easton, Pennsylvania ... Portland, Oregon ... Roswell, Georgia ... Brownsville, Texas ... Ventura, California ... Cedar Key, Florida ... Barnwell, South Carolina ... Buffalo, New York ... Waterford, Connecticut ... Sparks, Nevada ... Cleveland ... El Paso ... Fort Meyers, Florida ... Costa Mesa, California ... Decatur, Illinois ... Los Angeles ... Boiling Springs, South Carolina ... Mobile, Alabama ... Enfield, Connecticut ... Comfort, Texas ... El Paso ... Gallatin, Tennessee ... Tuba City, Arizona ... Tonopah, Nevada ... Hanna, Wyoming ... San Diego ... Bedford Heights, Ohio ... Thornton, Colorado ... Kansas City, Missouri ... Phoenix ... Broken Arrow, Oklahoma ... La Harpe, Illinois ... Davenport, Iowa ... Hobart, Indiana ... Los Angeles ... Little Rock, Arkansas ... Richmond, Virginia ... Santa Rosa, California ... Boise, Idaho ... White Lake Township, Michigan ... Tracy, California ... San Luis, Arizona ... Fayetteville, North Carolina ... Roy, Utah ... Conyers, Georgia ... Howell, New Jersey ... Conyers, Georgia (again) ... Escondido, California ... New York City ... Highland, New York ... Sherwood, Oregon ... Troutville, Florida ... Saint George, Delaware ... Evansville, Indiana ... Roscoe, Illinois ... Wellsville, Kansas ... Lansdale, Pennsylvania ... Springfield, Virginia ... Durham, North Carolina ... Dracut, Massachusetts ... El Paso ... Ohio City, Ohio ... Bennington, Vermont ... Granbury, Texas ... Flint, Michigan ... Rochester, New York ... Mesa, Arizona ... Coahoma, Texas ... Hinesville, Georgia ... Burlington, Vermont ... Savannah, Georgia ... Ogden, Utah ... Seaford, Delaware ... Harborcreek, Pennsylvania ... Longmont, Colorado ... Arvada, Colorado ... Hart, Michigan ... Holtville, California ... State College, Pennsylvania ... Lake Charles, Louisiana ... Lewiston, Maine ... Ogallala, Nebraska ... Mount Vernon, New York ... San Diego ... Pembroke, Massachusetts ... Griffith, Indiana ... Rehoboth, Massachusetts ... Tampa, Florida ... Apollo, Pennsylvania ... Jackson, Mississippi ... Chicago ... Forestport, New York ... Birmingham, Alabama ... Tampa, Florida ... Amarillo, Texas ... Malden, Illinois ... Clifton, Virginia ... Forth Worth, Texas ... San Antonio ... Rawlings, Maryland ... Danville, Virginia ... Natchez, Mississippi ... Temperance, Michigan ... Sacramento ... Howell, Michigan ... Clio, Michigan ... Pendleton, Oregon ... San Clemente, California ... Willingboro, New Jersey ... New York City ... Indio, California ... Winchester, Virginia ... Paterson, New Jersey ... Troy, Alabama ... Dresden, Tennessee ... Hialeah, Florida ... Midland, Michigan ... Rock Springs, Wyoming ... Spring, Texas ... Portage, Indiana ... Tuscaloosa, Alabama ... Snow Camp, North Carolina ... Ridgecrest, California ... Delano, California ... Springfield, Missouri ... East Lansing, Michigan ... Coeburn, Virginia ... Hamilton, Ohio ... Vancouver, Washington ... King Hill, Idaho ... Lead, South Dakota ... Columbus, Ohio ... Anderson, Indiana ... Schaumburg, Illinois ... Norwalk, California ... Elgin, South Carolina ... Irvington, Illinois ... Blackshear, Georgia ... Otsego, Michigan ... Chino, California ... New York City ... Niles, Ohio ... Aurora, Illinois ... Eureka, California ... Beaver Dam, Wisconsin ... San Marcos, California ... Omaha, Nebraska ... Shawnee, Oklahoma ... Hilliard, Florida ... Buffalo, New York ... Hamburg, Iowa ... Flint, Michigan ... Brookfield, Wisconsin ... Odessa, Missouri ... Canon City, Colorado ... Tampa, Florida ... Utica, Mississippi ... San Diego, Texas ... Warren, Pennsylvania ... Emerson, New Jersey ... Milton, Pennsylvania ... New Site, Mississippi ... Poteau, Oklahoma ... Edina, Missouri ... Indianapolis ... Pulaski, Virginia ... Somerset, Ohio ... Stockbridge, Georgia ... Shelbyville, Indiana ... Lufkin, Texas ... Apex, North Carolina.

Posted by: Bert at August 10, 2004 07:07 PM

at your service, Agnes

Posted by: cadaver at August 10, 2004 07:12 PM

Freedom isn't free you fucking burnt out SF dope fiends. Clue in. Bush will win in November.

Posted by: Puppy Luv at August 10, 2004 07:26 PM

Posted by: bagel at August 10, 2004 07:35 PM

oh damn i didnt know it was going to be that big sorry

Posted by: bagel at August 10, 2004 07:38 PM

Posted by: cadaver at August 10, 2004 07:46 PM

politics is so divisive.

i wanna hear more about tan boobies.

Posted by: korewin at August 10, 2004 08:05 PM

Bagel- The piece is incredible. If it has anything to do with something going on right now, many of us have been there and beyond. Don't stop the work, but don't sacrifice too much. Your talent can't be wasted.

Posted by: Bruce at August 10, 2004 08:10 PM

bagel fuckin rocks!!

bvb - my strong sense of ethics say to post the pictures, but do not do anything with the woman. we'll all feel better that way.

Posted by: j at August 10, 2004 10:15 PM

uhh...sorry about the F bombs all.

EARMUFFS!!

Posted by: j at August 10, 2004 10:16 PM

Great painting Bagel, you're really talented!

Posted by: Jenny Saville at August 10, 2004 11:07 PM

classic post jenny saville!

Posted by: elias at August 11, 2004 08:59 AM

It's either politics or advice for BVB, take it how you want.

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