E's Surf Report

Gross! I used to surf LM all the time until I got good enough to surf elsewhere. I have good memories of the place, if you hit it just right it can dish up some fun waves for the beginner/intermediate surfer. Is it more polluted now? I don't see why it would be as it probably has had about the same runoff concentrations for a long time now. I'll have to get down there for old time's sake sometime, maybe after the demon has been taken care of.

Get it together - Linda Mar is not a surf spot its a taco bell friend #1 cheese lying sack of shit surprise. All fraction of course.

E, Costanoa in Half Moon Bay is pretty cool and reasonable priced. www.costanoa.com

The Olema Inn would be great too. www.theolemainn.com or you could just stay at Smileys and get down with the Bo-town locals....

A couple other places in Tomales, Olema, Point Reyes area if you google a bit.

anyone surf this morning? i thought it looked pretty unsurfable, but surpulse seem to give it an ok review. now i wish i woulda went out anyway.

What's the difference between a "troll," a
"lurker" or some sad sack that sits at his desk all day long conversing on an internet blog about nothing in particular [surfing]?

Wha-ha-what?

E- check this place out. Get a Suite for the offseason rate. Might have to stay two days though. Still a cheap deal for something different than a thin walled B&B like the Olema Inn.

http://oceanparkmotel.citysearch.com/

e - too bad you can't do it Sunday night instead, the hot tip at Costanoa is a half price deal on the full moon. We stayed there last full moon, it's not bad.

Lerm - I saw some nice glassy waves this am. Didn't surf though. A couple spots along the beach looked fun.

lerm - surfed this morning, 5 closeout drops for every one workable shoulder, but worth it after a week or two out of the water.

e - My wife and I like to stay at the Babbling Brook Inn in SC. Its pretty much downtown, so you can walk to Pacific, or walk to the beach. Breakfast is included in the mornings, which is served in this quaint little Santa Cruz style Victorian lobby. Wine and hor-dourves in the evenings. I think it is a two-day minimum stay though.

Reasonably priced too.

I really want to see this "Friend #1" guy.
Does he surf? Is he gay? Straight? Is he a man or woman?

I live in the back of the valley in p-town-all the runoff from the streets goes right into the creek. I've surfed that creek, the docks, the whole freakin beach for five years and never got sick. I work in the presidio, drive by ob at least three times a week on the way home, and grew up at 44th/ulloa. LM is surfable more days a year than ob, and while it certainly doesn't compare in quality, it has some good days when all else is shut down. Yes, I'm an old fart, late forties, and ride mostly a log, which is appropriate at LM. Last sunday morn it was shoulder/head high with very heavy offshore winds at the pumphouse. Two or three of us getting rides while ob regs were shut down. Sat wasn't bad either, as was reported on this board. Yesterday I checked the fort, and 25 guys were fighting over short 3-6 footers. No thanks. I've surfed ob, and it's awesome. Many, many days it's well beyond my ability. But LM is five minutes from my home, which, incidentley is twenty times better as a place to live/raise a family than the sunset, and I get a lot of surf. When some of you guys are pushing 50, you'll be lucky to be able to live and surf in little ole p-town. And if you still rip, there always a few spots just north of LM. There is a small crew of guys at lm who some of you might have a hard time out paddling/positioning for a wave. Maybe that's part of the resentment........go to a shitty break and the locs shut you down. Incoming.

Sactomex, you are so romantic.

Major League Baseball is a joke. I cant see how anyone can find baseball entertaining. It seems very boring to both watch and play.

former sunset kid, you are so right on so many accounts. don't take the pacifica insults personal. it's simply the bloggers mode of gaining acceptance and building their online persona.

former sunset kid..........I agree, I surf Linda Mar about 100 days a year and dig it. Very few bad vibes......When I need to exceed, I go to Salmon Creek.......much friendlier that ob. Montara is my home break, but will travel south to kelly, San G and beyond. I'm a HMB oldster, almost 60, but am sure we've surfed together. Screw these guys who think their shit don't stink. I have tasted the monster phlegm and survived.

who's ripping on Lindy?

oh yeah.. i guess jizzy for president kind-of is.

good to hear from the old-timers. thanks for posting "live to surf," "former sunset kid" and anon.

friend #1 is married with a kid. You'll recognize him easily at the beach. He has short light brown hair, clean shaven, and wears a black wetsuit, within a few inches of six feet tall and 170-190 pounds, and rarely calls anyone out or yells at anyone close to him, and prefers to surf the emptiest breaks at the beach.

you can have a good session at Lindy every 5-8 years if you surf it all the time like 200 times a year.

sunset kid - wouldn't you rather the crowds stay at FP and scrap it out? Or would you like them to drive down to LM? Sounds like you have a good thing going. The people ripping on lm are doing you a favor. Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Ahhh, now I got it its a Cult of Personality kind of thing.

Cult of Personality

Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of Personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights, A Nobel Price
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights a Nobel Prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your God's name
I'm every person you need to be
I'm the Cult of Personality

My post was pro lindy! I go there a lot less now cause it is sorta tide specific and I live in SF and work for the man in the financial district. I never got sick there, even during the el nino year when I didn't know better about surfing in poo water.

Can someone re-post the pics of Jack Black surfing from a while back?

Now the P-town skatepark is something to behold.

i find that people who claim to get sick from surfing are usually pussies who get sick all the time anyways.

It goes like this. If you insult lindy or the fort or steamers on the blog, somehow in your insecure mind, you feel somehow superior and a member of something. it's psychology 101.
i've had awesome 5 foot waves at linda mar, fort and steamers. and i have had duds of a 5 foot wave at ob. does this mean ob is inferior?
when i am out at LM often times there are surfers who are phenomenal and often times when i surf at ob there are surfers who are horrible. what can be deduced from this?

The Archbishop's Mansion on Alamo Square is a nice B&B. Used to be the AB of SF's residence. All the rooms have nice antique furnishings. Not too expensive since it's a little out of the way. Stayed there the weekend I proposed to my wife...

I've surfed Linda Marvin for over 55 years. It gets pretty hollow inside them closeouts out there!
Cult of personality. Exactly. You finally figured it out.
Silencio Choda Boy - you have nothing to offer and what you do write is usually pretty lame.
Psyche guy: what can be deduced? You tell us.

Lindy, hollow? Rarely, I'd say.
It is well known that linda mar is a big wall that crumbles from the top, with very, very rare hollow days. Unless of course your're talking about the far north end, which on most "hollow" days, is something nobody wants a piece of

I will insult any and every surf spot in the world!
what does that make me?

Deduction?

Most folks on this site are inferior surfers and hypocritical in their posting. But hey, they get to be one of the gang and on some occasions, a hot shot in the said gang. This satisifes the human need for acceptance and healthy ego so it is on one handa positive but the internet and blog mania has caused more than a few cup's to runneth over and so once back in reality, you take your place wide on the shoulder.

Talkers talk. Doers, do.

I'm definitely a wide on the shoulder kinda guy.
I fucking suck!
Always sucked at surfing. probably always will.
Surfing is difficult. for me at least.

Some people who post here actually do surf well though.. soo.. lots of people assuming one thing or another.. might want to check yo'self.

b4 you riggidy reck yo'self

You forgot...Psycho's Psyche

Speaking of hypocrites. E- why are you naming at least 2 spots on todays post?

Maybe there are a few competent surfers on your blog but go easy on the transparent self deprecation cry for compliments. It's a regular compliment fest in the gang, that has been clear. Always going to be one to vouch for someones skills. This is not necessarily my concern although it does tie in.
The insults of the "inferior waves" are really unnecessary especially if this is supposed to be the positivity blog. If I were a longboarded who counted 90% of my sessions at Linda Mar and the other 10% at an easy point in warm mexican points, I would think that your blog was for some set of egomaniac surfers who had no idea what "soul" or "aloha" is. The hypocrisy is that you are black and white's n the lineup and not the stickerd up colored wettie dominant set wave rippers at the premier spots.
So check yo self. Just one shrink to be's opinion on the internet.

huh? I'm fairly certain it's ok to name "linda mar". and.. what else.. galveston?

jeez.. i guess i'm a hypocrite..

Maybe i'll just kill myself.

linda where?

psyche guy no offense but come on! why so self-rightious?

The colored wetstuit-sticker crew are not a presence at our local premier spots. In fact there are no sponsored surfers to my knowledge living in the city.

one post critizes linda mar all of a sudden everyone is defending linda mar and saying that everyone else are haters.?.

I'm not fishing for compliments. To my great chagrine i really do kinda suck at surfing. just a cold hard fact.

peace out y'all.

I'm not talking about spot naming. But when you insult Bolinas, Linda Mar, Cowells. Be honest you are puffing your chest and really, just trying to say that YOU are the big shot surfer!
All at the expense of the others who are self actualized about their surfing and just out getting a toe over and shoving their girl or kids in to a 3 footer. Evryone know's that LM does not offer stand up barrels but you know what? I can only think of one place from here to SC that does.

Linda Mar is not a surf spot. Angel Island has good waves more regularly.

who designed p-town skatepark? zack warmhoudt?

psyche guy surfs Linda Mar, Cowells, and Bolinas.

I surf lot's of places. Although I have yet to surf at Cowells. The others I have surfed, that is correct.
Do you feel like a ripper now?

I am sponsored by FoamOrder(dot)com. I live in the City. I wear a colored wetsuit. I surf Deadies and the Fort too.

kinda like geek school-girl squabbles arguing over the local B and C grade heart-throbs. cuz the A grade heart-throbs have already been claimed by the popular girls.

"Naming" Linda Marvin doesn't count. And on nicehighness naming OB is like saying the sun will come up tomorrow. Or that it'll be 420 in four hours.
After all these years the Mill Valley and Marin proper 40 somethings are finding the trust funds not to be a bottomless trough of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. The wife left with the kids and the Jeep Cherokee a long time ago - moved to Novato and remarried. She's fucking a better, richer man and has lost the weight and is hot again at 42. Tight ass, new bubble hair and fake tits and drives an Escalade. She votes Republican and posesses the blind religious faith of this ilk.
For him the punch is no longer there. He can barely paddle the old 6-10er out on a small 2ft. day with the flat tire around his waist. Hurrah!!! The 'Vaurnet 'Cat Eye' Huey Lewis, Journey, Grateful Dead following' generation is as dead as his style from 20 years ago. What's the answer and how does a person like this get laid these days? Internet dating that's how!

why the hell is this PNW guy always weighing in on our cali issues?

Psyche Guy, prescribe for yourself an overdose of Scientology and shut the fuck up.
just what the world needs, another loudmouth psychiatrist. spare me.

Hey - fuck that... I sponsor myself.
You call me I call Ward.

I stand and fight with psyche guy.

Anyone, anytime, anystyle, anyplace.

She came... i think i've boned your ex-wife in Novato. she IS hot.

E - if you kill yourself can I take over the website?
P.S. surfing is not easy. Try puffing more before your sessions...
Just trying to be helpful.

The quality of spots just depend on conditions.

Sure, OB has more "10" days than Mar, or FP, or Bo Bo; but Mar will be better on high tide and south winds; Bo-Bo will be better on a huge swell and NW winds. I don't think you can say that OB has more decent surf days per year than either of these spots. In fact, Mar may have more surfable days a year than any other spot in Nor Cal, if not the whole state.

Of course, a perfect day at OB is going to creat for more memorable waves than a perfect day at other breaks in the Bay Area. If its a 6 foot swell, lower tide, and glassy, I know where I'm going.

mike from foamorder rips. Unusual, worm-like style but he smacks the lip nice on his backhand.

Ya t dog

I'd wager that Steamer Lane has the most surfable days per year in Nor-cal

"best waves are the ones you are surfing"

Dear Psyche Guy,

You are so right on. Every-time someone thinks that a surf spot sucks, he/she is indirectly saying that they are a better person than the people that surf said spot. I think that you are very astute.

Could it be that by saying that you are a soon to be Psychiatrist, that you are smarter than everyone on this board. More than likely, you are right. Everyone on this board contributes nothing to society, everyone here works for the "man," no contributor picks up trash and more often than not are just pricks, just like you.

Maybe you should consider changing majors, something less indulgent. How fucking privileged are you? Gross generalizations should be the last thing you make. As for assumptions, they only make an ass out of you and me.

Please spare us.

Sincerely yours,
California

I hate shrinks. My friend is one and he is constantly analizing everything and everyone. extreemly annoying. and the ego on that guy is amazing. pipeline sucks! in the summer, linda mar sucks 75 percent of the year! ob ob sucks half of winter and all of spring and summer, swamis also sucks at least half the year, trestles too. And wiamea? flat right now! figure it out smarty pants.

Agreed t-dog. Rest of you should all stop the trash talking because lindy does have more surfable days per yr than any spot between Bol and SC.

I used to drive the coast all the time - and you know what I'll stake money on the fact that, although outstanding days at the mar are rare (I've had a choice few though) - given surfable days to mean days people can and do surf - Lindy rules supreme.

It's a rare day you'll pass that place without seeing a bunch of folks out and waves being caught. So yes I am counting 12 yr olds standing on fun boards - that is called surfing no matter how we might hate it.

Lindy serves a good role in the surfing community and I certainly have a few good memories of the place.

Oh and for gods sakes if you can whine about spot naming with reference to lindy you really really need to get out more.

j.o.c. post from yesterday. The man knows what's up.

Hb,
Love and respect to you, man! Blackark in the house! Stay positive. I surfed today for my first session since it started raining 10 days ago, longboarded alone in sight of 30 people scrapping and fighting for the main wave while i floated and waited for groomed peaks to come break on the very inside and peel along in front of the cliff, waves waves peaks peeling goodness, silver surfer, patches of light and shadow on the far hills, ride from the shadows into a golden burst of light, shine on, go surf, dance... irie!

I always thought that assumptions made an ass and an umption

Oh yeah - and Mr Psyche guy:

Mavs, Chopes and Jaws SUCK ASS. I wouldn't waste my time paddling out on an inflatable rubber ring at those flat, blown out, has been, shit hole excuses for surf spots.

UP 'DA MAR!

psyche guy, you don't need to feel like a ripper to know that Linda Marginal, Bo-bo, and Cowells are the bunny slopes of NorCal surfing. Just like skiers rip on people who snowplow the bunny slopes, beer drinkers rip on people who drink Coors, and skaters rip on people who can't ollie, surfers will rip on people who choose those spots as their primary surf destinations.

Although, BVD does like to take his wife to Bo-Bo so she can get run over on his Stewart longboard.

i find making something out of shit waves is one of the most satisfying surfing experiences there is. much more so than jostling for position with 50 other bros on the good days at some perfect spot. That might be a slight exaggeration but how can people not appreciate a truly shitty wave living here? I haven’t had a good surf day in ages but I sure have surfed some fun crap! when that one close-out-mushburger does open up and spits you down the line, when that random rogue wave sets up on the inner bars in the middle of summer after you’ve paddled out for twenty consecutive summer sessions without so much as a hint of quality – that is awesome. I love it. so many good memories of foggy, windy, mushy sessions.

I’ll never go to Indo because I know it will ruin me and steal this pleasure from me. And I can't afford the trip anyway. I've seen what Indo does to people - makes them only paddle out on the good days and talk shit about crappy waves. Screw that! - I like my shitty waves.

Who is BVD?

well said obro!!

obro for president!

Bad vibe Dave??

I am presuming it is the chinese whisper version of Bob.

NOT wishing re open can o worms but I see old photo man chuckey is getting some shit:

Chuck Lantz 08-Mar-2006
Maybe you can help me find and delete all the shots of the clown from OB who threatened to key my car in a post in the surfing forums? He was ticked-off at all the photographers who identified the location of their shots out there. As if photos posted weeks after the session "ruins it".

Perhaps psyche guy could enlighten us as to the deeper meaning, of how potential key wielding subject's late potty training led to this sad series of events?

Obsessed tourist 'marries' dolphin

Tel Aviv (dpa) - British tourist Sharon Tendler has finally made her dream match - by "marrying" a dolphin she has been visiting for 15 years in the Israeli resort of Eilat, the mass-circulation Yediot Ahronot daily reported today.

Tendler, 41, has been visiting the city on the Gulf of Aqaba two or three times a year to spend time with her 35-year-old underwater sweetheart.

"The peace and tranquility under water, and his love, would calm me down," the Israeli daily quoted her as saying.

Last week Tendler finally plucked up the courage to ask the dolphin's trainer for the mammal's fin in marriage.

The wedding took place Wednesday, with the bride, wearing a white dress and watched by amazed spectators, walking down the dock to where the groom was waiting in the water.

She kissed him, to the cheers of the spectators and then, after the ceremony was sealed with some mackerels, was tossed into the water so she could swim away with her new husband.

"I'm the happiest girl on earth," the bride was quoted as saying. "I made a dream come true. And I am not a pervert."

Went to Indo on my honeymoon, surfed perfect waves, still paddle out into the stormiest of OB slop.. Indo does not ruin you, obro - it only makes you stronger.

BTW, what's this bullshit that saying a surf spot sucks mean you are claiming you are better than it? That's such crap. The fact is, if you travel around a bit, and surf a few places, you form opinions on spots you like, spots you don't - that's that. It doesn't mean you're a poser.

If OB is even barely surfable, it is always the call over Lindy, period.

Blame Venereal Disease?

Meet the next BVB not to be confused with "Little Bad Vibe." http://www.pbase.com/chucklantz/image/56984388
Duh. Fuck. Waves here R' gunna suck for the next 7 mos.. If there is a good day guaranteed you will most probably NOT be on it.
Surfing is an open mind.

Oh, and my most memorable, staisfying surf experience was not making something out of crap waves, but rather, scoring perfect empty baja point break. Empty, perfect waves is always better than crap waves.

Inspiring. I've been trying to get my nerve up for so long. Next time I paddle out I'm going get all gussied up and finally ask that dophin out on a date. An offshore winter wedding and call me Mrs. Flipper.

fun post to read today e, but ugh, so evocative!

Too much BS, not enough pictures. Is it 3 out there yet?

dont worry, help is on the way:

first post!

jeez....why is everyone so worked up today? are you outta weed? hate you starbucks job? can't get laid - even by a marina chick?

e wrote a great piece of fiction and posted some photos from the first big contest of the year....but everyone wants to hate and point fingers. wtf?

e, keep doing what you're doing. i love the inspiration and dedication.

Fark yea!

I've done more than a 2 year stint in Ptown after moving off the GH. Thank god for LM, if that place wasn't there imagine where everyone else would be. Always a maintence surf possible, depending on how good your immune system is and how long a board you have. Ever meet a Texas surfer? They would be so stoked with what we have- guess it's all perspective.

The about 3 stellar days I've seen in over 2 years all were totally empty- go figure

next subject please. time for some titty shots.

MAS CEBOLLAS, POR FAVOR, SACTOMEX!!

Hey She Came over...
We take issue with naming Mill Valley. Our trust funds are going great (oil stocks, thanks gramps!). We saw Jerry Garcia Band (minus Jerry of course) the other night at the SweetH20 and our Audi wagons get us and the 9'6" out to Bo in 36 minutes. We sold our "vintage" Vuarnets on Ebay for a profit and even if our wives choose to leave us it'll be fine. They don't call it Milf Valley for nothin'.
You're just jealous!

Failure in the classroom is often tied to lack of funding, poor teachers or other ills. Here's a thought: Maybe it's the failed work ethic of todays kids. That's what I'm seeing in my school. Until reformers see this reality, little will change.

subject change, notice the thin, horizontal tramp stamp on that chick. she gives it up, from behind. guaranz!

What small man you are Pong boi.

Yeah, really, it's like the kids that shot up Columbine. Everyone was trying to point the blame on society, the family, influence from the media. Man, fuck all that, whatever happened to crazy?? What, you can't be crazy anymore? Fuck the school, fuck the family, fuck the media, they were just CRAZY. Blame the fucking kids. I wouldn't have shot up a whole school even if God told me to do it. I just would have known I'm not that fucking crazy.

was that your celebrated winter?

Now we got something worthy of posting about.....

Whew! That last one looks like she snorts fat lines and lives in the Marina

Daaamnn

http://www.insaneclips.com/lionhuntingvideo.php

This posting was inspired by bagel's comics

a pic of E from last summer:

yes please

Hey Audi 4000. I'm not jealous - Gram left me a bundle but that was from Gramps working all his life as an electrician on ships at San Pedro WWII.
I bought several pair of vintage (circa '83) Vaurnet's on Ebay and I have them very nicely displayed in a beautiful glass case here in my 4 story Sunset Dist. mansion. Bought it in '99 for 350,000. It's now worth over a mil and half - can you believe that shit?
Now if you're the guy with the purple Audi wagon with no less than 4 pro travel baggged longbaords that surfs the Fort on minus ability then all bets are off - you suck.

My company started url blocking to keep people from surfing porn and now I can't see Kaiser's lovely ladies. I can see the url in the page source but the images don't show up :-( Now I'll have to put up with the same old local vs. tranny BS and spot naming vs. vagueness crap all day without any counterbalancing positive vibes. It's a sad day , indeed.

Kaiser:
Ok. That does it. I took the bait and sent away for a WWeasel for the wife. In the mail was not what I ordered but a different version in mesh instead of the sheer. She's a plus sized gal and was hella pissed that the top would not fit no matter how hard we tried. Can you help me with ordering next time? Suggestions?

Hey, something just happened (a page reload I think) and now the pictures are back. Sweet!

Layne Beachley rips!

sick video!! i really wanted that lion to win. hunters suck!

Doh! Those are Sactomex's pictures, not Kaisers. Looks like Wickedweasel.com has been flagged by the IT folks.

"Access to WebWasher categories {Swimwear, Lingerie, and Nudity} is not allowed by Access Control Policy"

http://www.craigslist.org/sby/w4m/140216557.html

Agree with RZA, I wish the lion had eaten every last one of those fucking retards.

Steve,

Try using an anonymous proxy server. You'll be able to view the lovely ladies on niceness at least for a while, that is until the IT folks find you're using a proxy to hide your surf habits! But then, that may earn you enough nerd respect that they'll let you pass...

He's Nick Burns, your company's computer guy!

Man those are some nice onions, love the little picture 3to5 posted above and I think lion hunting is incredibly lame too. Its hard to understand why anyone would want to do that if they really thought it through. And I write as someone who has hunted and fished for various smaller edible creatures, and who firmly believes its ethical to do so. Anybody have any advice for transitioning between a twin keel fish and a standard shortboard? Everytime I ride the fish for a few sessions in a row, I can't surf anywhere near my normal ripping jr. intermediate level on the shortboard for the next few sessions. I suck worse than e.

to spank, or not to spank...

My two year old smacked me in the side of the face with his little wooden train, Percy, last night.

I gave him a thwack on the side of the head right back, which, was my reaction to getting hit, and then sat him down in the hallway for "timeout"

My question is, does hitting your kid back as punishment just re-enforce that hitting is ok?

BJ-If I really had an Audi Wagon do you think I would be naming it on this blog? Hook line and sinker you dumbass.

hey! this ain't E's parenting report!

so this way lip smacked me in the head the other day after banking off the bottom and trying to tuck in.

Should I smack it back, or not?

If you really hit your 2-year-old because he hit you, you need professional help. Don't spank ever. Period.
I'm so glad my kids are out of that Thomas the Tank Engine shit. It is so gay.

not sure what a way lip is, but yes! smack it back!

Reasonsing works better than a violent reaction. Show your kid how they hurt you. Demonstrate. Don't just react and smack. Unless you actually are riding a wave.

there is nothing wrong with spanking.

yeah, I kind of ride the fence on this one. I mean I got spanked as a kid, and generally deserved the ones I got.

At the same time, I don't want to be spanking my kid as the general way to regulate bad behavior.

Something definitely strange about the 'mar, I've surfed the Beach and points north and south since 1976 but never set foot in lindy. Why I don't know, checked it many times but couldn't bring myself to getting in the water there. the 'force' always told me not to.

Dr. Phil is so lame. I can't believe he is so popular. It's like a cleaned up version of Jerry Springer for people who are too ashamed to watch Jerry Springer.

Yeah I wish that hunter got nailed instead of the lion, but crazy regardless. I can't even kill spiders, funny how typically we have way more compassion for animals than fellow humans. At least the hunter let out a girlish yelp and probably crappped his pants!

Don't be your parents. Be better than your parents.

I think Lindy's sandbars have decreased in quality over the last few years. I don't remember it closing out so often or being so reliant on a 5ft high tide a few years back.

E-great story this morning.

thanks haystack and bait.

if you're a guitarist this could be the alltime best thread ever in the history of the interweb

i think it might not matter much. we haven't spanked, though, and one reason i'm glad is that it might make the transition to a more grown-up relationship with him easier. if you spank, when do you stop? but i actually think your example is different from using spanking as a "policy" punishment, and as long as you didn't hit him at all hard, i don't have a real problem with it---except that if he escalates and hits you harder you'd better have a different response to use (and then why not use that one right away?).

you know, really little kids are only sort of teachable, and hard-line parenting (low tolerance of bad behavior) is a pain in the ass for both of you without a lot of upside in my humble experience. use a lot of time outs, distraction, humor until the kid is actually old enough to reason with (i.e., thirty or forty).

thanks for reading artifact..and ya, sweet toxic surf avenger story e..

I have always used a little smack to get attention when it was needed, like when my daughter was playing puppy and sunk her teeth in my leg. It is not the punishment, just an attention getter done rarely, and done on her bottom. Once I had her attention we discussed what happened, and then she went to her room for 10 minutes or so- she really did not like that.

I never punish in front of others. If they mis behaved in public, we left. I never do anything out of anger. Once I spoke, there were no second questins allowed. Once a topic was covered and finished, it was no longer to be discussed or debated. Soon I rarely had any problems.

I used to coach 60 kids at a time in a swimming pool. I am fair but very strict. Set the rules early. It is easier to ease up later than to crank down.

sometimes i want to throw my dog out the window. should i not have kids?

only have bouncy ones

sometimes i smack myself.

but only when i'm bad.

so a baby boy only than..

badabing!

good back and forth there kloo..

Sactomex, you are mine, BITCH!!

I have the same problem with my 3 year old. He is big for his age, and he likes to hit. "Timeouts" dont seem to work anymore. I mean, this kid gets GNARLY sometime. His Waldorf school wants me to talk to him like a fembot. "we dont hit" type of stuff, instead of saying "NO!"

what to do?

my gut instinct/reaction is to smack him back, but I have resisted. I hope he gets out of this stage soon. GNARLY!!

sounds like smacking your two year old was a reaction, not discipline. control your reactions and learn to discipline with an open heart, never from anger.

good parenting is hard work and is not a product of your DNA. there is much to be learned by an earnest parent looking to be a good parent.

My first rule is DO NOT BE MY PARENTS.

I am also a waldorf parent. "its not OK to hit, if you are upset, you may use your words". it can get a bit frustrating and feel hopeless, but it ultimately works. be patient Perry

man, i dont know how many times i've asked myself "does this 'use your words' crap work?". thanks, not judging.

also, kids are reflections of their environment. do you carry angry energy home with you? even if it is not directed at home by you, they will channel it.

Sactomex- imagine what it would be like if a human being more than two times your size thunked you on the head.

I have struggled with this myself, meaning I have done things I regret in the way of arm grabs or light taps. But basically, a show of physical force should never come to pass, unless the child is hurting themself or someone else. And then, the physical force should only be to prevent the child from continuing that action, and not as a reaction to that action.

I was spanked as a youngster, and it was useful only because there was so much ritual to the waiting for Dad to come home, explaining to him what I did, etc. Most of the time, the one whack for each year turned into one good one, or not even much of a whack. It was all about the drama not the actual physical action.

You can still use all this ritual but eliminate the physical violence and replace it with a time-out or what ever non violent punishment you want.

Violence only teaches more violence.

I have seen many ill tempered toddlers transformed at waldorf.

Percy,
Watch yourself! Like the US Marines, I am "DEATH FROM ABOVE":

generally stick to the use your words rule. And you are right, the smack last night was a reaction Percy 's little magnetic knob clocking me under the right eye - and I have faith that eventually, the little one will get the message.

KIX - no real anger in the houshold, and not really an ill tempered toddler - just has a bad habit of hitting when he gets frustrated

Sactomex, maybe if you posted more onion pics, it would help everything. ....Just a thought.

Survey says,,, "More Onions" !!!

yay surfings on!

props to whoever came up wiht 'onions'

you guys weren't looking at your clock

doh! turn my computer clock back? valid?

have I mentioned the A420L?

this canadian dude calls this one chicks ass an "onion" here at the office. it is perfect. says he wants to peel it open someday. that's where i got it. some of the ones you guys post are very similar.

she is hot, and took a couple weeks "vacation" about 2 years ago. came back from her break with perfect tits. large, perfect grapefruits.

total bitch though, knows she is the hottest chick in the office. man, i wish she had a URL.
that is the origin of the "onions"

contest is back on in Oz:

http://www.quiksilver.com/quikpro/index.aspx

bobby martinez took out Parko

steamwand's girl just gave birth to a healthy baby!

go steamwand!

gavin beschen at the lane??

http://bobisland.com/03-06-06M/pages/03-06-M%20(29).htm

nah, that's not gavin Beschen.

check out ratboy

this guitar forum is good too!

Raoni Monteiro is my new favorite surfer. also bobby martinez, crazy that he has such a strong mexi accent being from santa barbra, awesome.

bajel and any other heads.. we should surf tomorrow morning. i plan on hitting it in front of my house around 7 unless it's total utter shit.

peace in the middle east!

That's funny seascum- that's my homey Drake Stanley in the bob island pic. He turned 23 last night, we got fucking trashed off dollar drinks at the sleeeaaazy but fun blue lagoon. Anyway, the kid rips, especially for being 6'5" 240 lbs. He grew up in Carp, his home break is the Con and he rides downhill for Ladera longboards. Check out laderalongboards.com for a bunch of pics, and the best downhill setups money can buy.

Oh, and E I really dug the story today, STONY! And yes, Linda Mar sucks most of the time, but its where I learned to surf so I can't bash it...

se se se seven?!

dig the wal ocaust pics. reminds me of an acquaintance who made a mussolini doll, complete with packaging and fake upc, set it up in walmart with a price tag and then video taped himself trying to buy it. classic.

about time i got my own action figure!

he also did pez prototypes for his proposed "fallen rapper" series, including pac, biggie, and eazy-e.

fyi.

"I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better" by the Byrds is a great fucking song.

I gotta poop.

I stand and fight with Sactomex's son and gttim's daughter.

Anyone, Anytime, Anyplace, Anystyle.

Great

stfu already, ju ju moron. you would stand and fight with a strap on dildo. anyone, anytime, anyplace, doggy style.

I just got back from a date in Haywared. the chick was real nice looking, but, holy shit, she sounded like something out of Moulan Rouge: she's a narcoleptic, practicing witch. ah, but she was so pretty though.

what's up with the boards with the Atlanta Braves "A" on the bottom?

yeah great stroy you lying sack of shit. only a fucking closeted homo would brag, with no name, in the middle of the fucking night on some insignificant web site. do you think anyone cares you fucking queer ass raider.

A is for asshole.

"I'm back in the saddle again."
"I'm baack"

Some cube dweller is hung over needs coffee and a life, plus maybe a donut and shoulder rub.

I have always used a little smack to get attention when it was needed

Actually, I think that was the only time, and it was a light swat on her bottom. She was actually my step-daughter, so there were some other considerations, and I made sure she told her father what happened. I usually just put her in her room the second she started misbehaving. She was actually very well behaved around me, because she knew I would not tolerate much at all and that life was really good if she behaved. She tried to manipulate both her parents frequently because they had never set well defined limits, and they could be manipulated.

I do remember the most effective for of disclipline was making her clean up her messes, like crayon on walls or ashes from the grill all over the patio. I would make her clean for 15 minutes, which is a lifetime to kids, before I finished up. I would explain that nobody liked cleaning up messes because it wasn't fun, was it? She never did those twice.

She was from 4 to 6 years old, so I can't speak well on younger kids. All my swimmers were 5 and up, and I had permssion to beat them repeatedly with kickboards!

Hey, Sunny Garcia was beat as a kid, and he turned out pretty level headed and calm! (I hope I don't get my ass kicked for that.)

Nice to get some much anecdotal advice from you old timers.

thanks...

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our young ripper, now five, hit, bit, walloped and was generally physically aggressive until about six months ago. the "talk to him" approach doesnt work. I've watched him listen to his teachers say "tell me how you feeeeel" and he says something like "I feel sad" and they say "ohh, well done!" and he learns that he can hammer some other kid, give some dopey grownup whatever bullshit they're asking to hear, and it's all good.

ya gotaa tell him no. timeout. take the toy away. every time. and be prepared to do it every time for about a year.

for those of you not yet parents - good luck...

J