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Blown and crappy

Happy Monday. Huey the surf god has not been overly kind to us bay area shralpers lately. The pickinís this morning were no different. meager. If you like it small, ugly and messy, youíll find miles of empty beachbreak awaiting your eager presence. But.. maybe Iím too harsh. Saturday morning witnessed some glassy potential along our golden three-mile stretch. I got out there for the early and found a few racy, gratifying sections. The waves were small but they would often peak up and zip along. The quick, nimble surfer could find bursts of speed and carvy opportunities. The beginner might be stoked on the absence of duck-diving and on the relative ease of seeing and predicting how the incoming waves would break.. But.. that was Saturday. Today itís lookiní bleak.

Soo.. I received an email from niceness reader Emily inquiring about good surf-trip destinations for an intermediate longboarder lassie. She had been considering Nias but I explained that the fast/steep nature of the wave, the shallow coral, the relative inconsistency of the spot and the herd of seasoned Aussie rippers might compromise her enjoyment. She surfs OB and has been to Maui and describes herself as ďpretty fearless.Ē Sooo.. I suggested Sri Lanka or central America or mainland mex or new zealand or the Maldives. Other considerations might be Morocco or Senegal. Anyone have advice for an adventurous traveler who wants to bust out of the first world or obvious destinations (costa rica, bali, Hawaii) but who might not be ready for the barreling craziness of Indo/Chili/Samoa?

Shout out to CJ who "owned" the tri for fun triathalon in Pleasanton on saturday. She came across the finish line with a big smile on her face, barely affected by the miles of swimming, biking and running she'd just completed. As the french might exclaim, "Schweeeet!"

Also a shout out to all the dadís on fatherís day.. Robme, Jdz, Jimmy Rowe in Southampton, my own Pops, Blakestah, Christian, Don Cote, and all the other radical dads out there. As a dad, remember that youíre responsible for maintaining a bit of your troublemaking, laughing, adolescent tendencies. If the kid is feeling the pangs of parental lock-downÖ itís your responsibility to remind him that while there are societal bounds that need be observed, itís still ok to cut loose and be a bit wild. I always fantasized about being the push-over dad that pretty much let his kids run wild. The olí Rousseauian (Emile) vision of letting the kids learn through nature and their own experimentation. Of course.. not being a dad.. I donít really know what Iím talking about. But anyway.. keep it real dads. Donít forget that youíre a kid too.


Picasso (i think)

cubist jamming

Summer doldrums seem pretty comfy on our coast so a trip somewhere seems like the call. Stormsurf says extended flat period is drawing near. I keep seeing these cabo deals in the sunday chron travel section for 5 days for $300 and change. Anyone every done it?

Posted by: dna at June 21, 2004 10:29 AM

Local surfer - Terry (who drives the maroon pop up VW)- was featured on the Learning Channels "What not to Wear". He cracked me up, especially when, in an effort not to get all his Hawaiian shirts tossed, he tried pulling down the hostesses skirt. He also tried buying a new surfboard with some of his shopping spree cash.

Way to go Terry!!!

Also read in the Pacifica newspaper this weekend that the local authorities may soon begin charging for parking at Linda Mar the beach lot. Locals might get reduced rates. Should be able to buy an annual pass.

Posted by: traut at June 21, 2004 10:35 AM

what about SA for emily? if she is considering nias
then the east side of the african continent is choice.
or costa rica.....went on an extended surf trip there
and scored large surf for weeks....in the summer even.

since the surf pretty much sucks....howz about some
musical discussions...anyone heard madvillain?

or tv on the radio?

must recommend both highly.
madvillainóvery nice beats and hmmm "interesting" rhymes. very well produced and NOT of the mainstream variety compare with old old de la soul.....
tv on the radio is also worth a check out. not hip hop but
still fresh in the new sense of word. like fresh air....in a
landscape of redundant stuff.

what ya'll be listening to driving around looking
for surf?

Posted by: korewin at June 21, 2004 10:43 AM

paying to park at lindy?! fark, los angelasation is creeping...

Posted by: luke at June 21, 2004 10:43 AM

pacifica has no cash.

at all.

it seems that the beach lot is
potential to have some funds coming
in. don't know if this is l.a. creeping or
a sign of trickle down economics round
two. but if the town can generate income
shouldn't the beach users pay?

they are putting in new hot water showers
and paving that damn lot or so i have heard.

Posted by: korewin at June 21, 2004 10:47 AM

Love the artwork!!

OB: 3-5 blown caca. Remember, this is *me* calling it crappy so you know it's bad. For the first day of summer it's awfully cold! However the fog has burned off and the windows aren't screeching like they were earlier. If the wind lets up juuust enough I'm letting out a hoot and racing away from the desk...a lull in the wind might be enough for a no-expectations, splashy utility sesh. Currently 2 peeps doing beginner pop-up stuff on the inside - that's the spirit!

No surf for me this weekend because I was feeloading my way into an Explorers Club picnic on a local island....where my friend and I got lost! They had to hold the boat for 20 minutes wondering what happened. It takes a lot of bloody talent to get lost under those conditions. Bwah ha! All hail the spirit of adventure.

Posted by: s.s. sharkbait at June 21, 2004 10:52 AM

christian...that is awesome. Congratualations on your son's first go out. I can't wait for that day!

Thanks for the shout e. it's definitely good to be reminded that we were all kids too. Hard to remember sometimes when the 2 year olds are getting a little craaaaazy!


Posted by: jdz at June 21, 2004 10:53 AM

Way to go Nico! Congrats Christian... you must be proud. Kid will be dropping in on you before you know it :)

Posted by: s.s. sharkbait at June 21, 2004 10:55 AM

Bring back any memories from the 80'S???

Posted by: jdz at June 21, 2004 10:58 AM

I got my car broken into at the Linda Mar parking lot next to the community center on Saturday. They found my hidden keys, opened the car, stole my wallet, and then locked my keys into my car. I thought I had inadvertently locked myself out of my car. When I got home, I had already gotten a call from the credit card company which was when I noticed my wallet was gone.

The theives knew what they were doing. They raced to Macys and got five $300 gift cards until my credit card was denied. I'm just lucky my car was not stolen.

Posted by: Joe O at June 21, 2004 11:04 AM

shut out this weekend...checked one spot south of pacifica that looked OK, ended up deciding to drive around more to see what i can find...a few who were on the cliff when i was watching opted in...by the time i rolled back thru was looking weak and packed...oh well....

Posted by: j at June 21, 2004 11:04 AM

OUCH!! Joe O, that really REALLY sucks!! i've given up on hiding my key ever since a key scare of my own, i put a keyring on my wetsuit zipper and throw a spare key on there. eliminates all worries.

Posted by: j at June 21, 2004 11:06 AM

damn, triple posts. slow day. another key idea i had this weekend while strolling home depot is those locks real estate agents put on homes. just lock your key inside, lock that thing to your rack (assuming rack is locked on) and you're golden. anyways, i'm done posting, it's time for kaiser to post some women to wake us up.

Posted by: j at June 21, 2004 11:07 AM

A few weeks back somebody posted about listentoamovie.com or something along those lines.
Anybody remember the website. Its only 11am on Monday and I'm bored as hell.

Posted by: tucker at June 21, 2004 11:08 AM

South swell never really showed itself here on Oahu yesterday... the endless wait continues. Happy Solstice everyone!

Posted by: bagus at June 21, 2004 11:08 AM

joe o-
that is the exact same fucking thing that happened to me a few months ago at OB except they took the keys as well. this is clearly an inside job with a macy's employee. the cops need to pull their heads out of their asses and catch these fuckers.

Posted by: bbr at June 21, 2004 11:10 AM

TV on the Radio is the Bomb. They played Bottom of the Hill a month or so ago. Great show, even at 7:00 or so. I'm old and dad of a toddler, so I opted for the early show.

If you like them, check out Yeahyeahyeahs. Andrew Sitek (the sound behind TVOR) produced their disks.

MexiSurf, I believe, mentioned Manu Chao - great LatinSka.

Posted by: Friend #1 at June 21, 2004 11:22 AM

Where can ya find those Powell Peralta retro boards? I miss my Caballero, also stolen out of my car.

Posted by: glassyoffshorepeeler at June 21, 2004 11:26 AM

Good albums from 2003 and 2004:

Sufjan Stevens:
Greetings from Michigan

The Shins:
Chutes too Narrow

Castaways and Cutouts

Iron and Wine:
Our Endless Numbered Days

Who else?
Broken Social Scene, Madvillain, The Postal Service, The Streets, The Unicorns...

Posted by: lewis at June 21, 2004 11:29 AM

If you don't take your keys itno the water, try taking a towel down to the beach and find a spot near the rocks to bury your key "inconspicuously" then throw your towel on top. maybe your towel will get stolen but most likely your keys will be safe. I did this for 20 year and never lost a key-or towel for that matter.

I used to have a 1965 Chevy II that had a manual vent door down near the feet that served well as a hide a key/wallet. O'course I couldn't lock the car door but nobaody stole am radio's back then...

Posted by: Dennis at June 21, 2004 11:32 AM

the waves on saturday morning were horrible but i had fun. the 3rd painting down is a klimt rip off, sorry, art snob.

i really like quasimoto, as far as new hip hop goes, not so new anymore really, i think hes in that loot pack crew or something..wasnt too impressed with the blackalicious(?) show at YBG's saturday but the band from NYC that came before them was great..live hip hop is extreemly hard to pull off in my opinion, seems like only the greats are worth seeing..KRS1, and J5 are great live. they speak clearly.

opinions on the new beasties? haven heard it yet but i like the new hit..

Posted by: bagel at June 21, 2004 11:39 AM

has anyone ever had a key taken from a magnetic hide-a-key (or heard of this happening)?

Posted by: luke at June 21, 2004 11:42 AM

new beasties - after 5 years off or whatever it was i was expecting something unexpected and fresh, like how check your head sounded after coming off license to ill and paul's boutique. it's not bad, there are some fun tracks, but it hasn't really grown on me yet. the cover art is pretty sick though.

Posted by: j at June 21, 2004 11:45 AM

hey e -
mad positive vibes to you on saturday nite when the first set opened with reba followed by runaway jam. you were feeling the phlow, like me wearing my gotta jibboo t-shirt for that song in the 2nd set. the boys are getting it done... they seem relaxed and carefree, no expectations, just having fun and experimenting together musically... pushing this thing they created into new places once again, for one more time... second sets have been close to pure, extendo Jam... they are tight, and are going out by pouring all their love into their last shows. like a stacked point of peeling offshore niceness or a pizza from 70yr old dominick at DiFaro's in Brooklyn, their music is a beautiful manifestation of the energy of this universe. Phish is Love! And so are You.

Posted by: jake at June 21, 2004 11:47 AM

Damn, sucks to hear about the lack of surf around here this weekend. I ventured northward and inland for some family time. Duty calls! Spending time with pops was solid. But 100 degree heat sucks! Congrats to all the dads out there. Christian, you gotta be stoked about Nico. I guess we know who the "next, next" OB generation will start with!

Shit...How about that New York Post article? I read about 20 pages last night and I can't wait to finish it. As much as the writer is all up on Doc's nutsack, I think it is really cool. I found that there were a lot of "practices" that Doc incorporates in his approach to surfing that I have found (albeit limited) in mine. I guess this has a lot to do with our influences in this SF Bay Area. The need to be a amatuer meterologist/ability to deal with big waves/cold water/stretching/monitoring tides/wind/swell/swell angles, etc. Pretty cool actually. I would love to pick the guys brain sometime. Maybe at the Patch??? Yeah, maybe not. But still very enlightening to learn how someone of Doc's stature surf-wise approach our little bit of surfing nirvana around here.

Here is one for all the dads out there:

Posted by: Kaiser at June 21, 2004 11:58 AM

Eurocup is going on!

I am rooting for Sweden:

Or Brazil:

Or Portugal:

But NO WAY for Swtizerland: (but here's an "A" for effort....)

Posted by: Kaiser at June 21, 2004 12:01 PM

jake!! killah phishy goodness. Damn!! Sounds like they see the light at the end of the tunnel and it's allowing them to amass all their energies and express themselves unbounded. enjoy it man! let it wash all over. close your eyes and swim deep up into that sonic universe that is the phish.

bagel and all - sorry about the fake Klimt. I guess i just liked the painting and thought it a Klimt.. d'oh!

email me at cranial_bulge@yahoo.com if you know of a painter or two you'd like me to highlight during these flat days. or.. just post it right here.

Posted by: e at June 21, 2004 12:02 PM


Posted by: e at June 21, 2004 12:23 PM

offshore peeler will you come back to us soon if I post this link???


Posted by: jdz at June 21, 2004 12:24 PM

e no worries, totally unnecessary comment on my part, lots of peoples are inspired by that dude with good reason. heres the OG to compare and contrast..

this dude is bad ass and was klimts student..

Posted by: bagel at June 21, 2004 12:26 PM

damn.. Klimt's OG is soooo much richer and more brilliant.. damn! skillz!

Posted by: e at June 21, 2004 12:33 PM

oh, heres one from homie:

Posted by: bagel at June 21, 2004 12:44 PM

I like it when you post art, E.

Thought I'd make a little contribution of my own, if today is indeed art day.
This one's from my "is it art?" file:

"Cloaca" is a 33-foot-long machine that simulates human digestion. Housed in New Yorkís New Museum of Contemporary Art in Soho, the technological/artistic entity represents a meeting of the minds of Belgian artist Wim Delvoye and scientists from the University of Belgium in Antwerp. Museum staff feed Cloaca twice daily with food from local restaurants. The device digests for 22 hours and defecates once daily, at 2:30 p.m.

Posted by: cadaver at June 21, 2004 12:46 PM

pretty cool/weird cadaver..

Posted by: e at June 21, 2004 12:59 PM

that things awesome

Posted by: bagel at June 21, 2004 01:18 PM

egon schiele is pure brilliance. quite a shame his life abruptly ended at such a ripe age. check out otto dix and max oppenheimer as well - other masters of the same genre. lucian freud is another personal favorite, although of a different genre and era.

the albums lewis mentioned above are all quite pleasing. other noteworthy albums are pinback's "blue screen life", the album leaf's "one day i'll be on time", notwist's "neon golden", and yo la tengo's "i can hear the heart beating as one". also denali's "instinct" - one of the sexist female voices out there. all fantastic pre- and post-sesh tunes.

speaking of sessions... scored fun, glassy waves in the southern reaches of the 831 area code region this past weekend. won't say where, sorry... seek and ye shall find.

Posted by: dt at June 21, 2004 01:24 PM

That 'Brazilian' is actually a Latvian fan. Note the flag around her neck. I'll bet it is a lot easier to buy a Brazil jersey than a latvian one even in Latvia.

Really, I am surprised you didn't post the England fan bursting with pride from the 17th.

Posted by: Friend #1 at June 21, 2004 01:26 PM

dennis, sage advise about the towel and car key. so what happens if somebody does rip your towel...dig up the entire beach trying to find where you buried your key?

like that england chest and of course there's a reason the picture doesn't feature the pasty face with crooked bad teeth

Posted by: old man at June 21, 2004 01:45 PM

Just wondering: if Pacifica has no money, why'd they demolish the old lot in the first place? Was there something wrong with it? Or was it purely to spruce it up so they could start charging?

Crazy about a breakin at Linda Mar.

Posted by: wrybread at June 21, 2004 02:07 PM

folks get robbed at OB ALL THE TIME....this user group is a small percentage of the surfers so you just don't hear about it.

my incident was a hide a key that did not start the car. they entered, couldn't start and hunted for the real one (which i should have hidden too as well as hidden "The CLUB" key as well)

Bu they bought gift cards at Macy's too and other places. I called both Macy's and the credit card company, conferenced them and had the gift cards canceled and coded to"stolen....call manager on duty/security"

so if you are still pissed Joe O...work them phones as I did so the mother fuckers took the risk of stealing from you for nothing.

Make that gift card not work and let Macy's security get a crack at them.

Macy's is not at risk and the credit card company has insurance/write off's etc so they don't automatically do this on their own which you would think they would in the computer world.

A stolen credit card buys a giftcard/credit card. Both should automatically be canceled but.....

Posted by: tom at June 21, 2004 02:21 PM

fark.. who the fuck is stealing cars!! That person will get his/hers. sooner or later.

My band practice just got cancelled. now i'm planning on skating my fave hill in twin peaks after work (Dellbrook ave) then getting the jam on.. anyone up for a 6:15pm skate or a 7:30 jam?

let me know headies.

Posted by: e at June 21, 2004 02:31 PM

Two quick stories.

Loaned a new friend my 9' softtop so he could learn to surf with his son. Rich and I cautioned him not to hide his keys. . . take them with you. Last Saturday someone ripped off his car and all its contents from Steamer Lane. SC Cop told him they lose two or three a month that way from the Lighthouse area. Really??????

Another pal was in LA on business. Of course, he took two boards, flew down and rented a car. His first morning session he took the keys with him and placed them under a towel on the beach. Yep, comes back and the rental is gone, along with his wallet and cell phone and his second board and extra wetsuit. That's a lonely feeling, for sure. Went to the nearest bank and two hours later had a new suit, new rental car, and was on his way to his meeting.

Moral of the story? Get an extra key made and wrap it around your neck or use the pocket. And when the spam hits the fan, pouring money on the problem is sometimes an effective solution.

One last trick. When I was more paranoid I bought a small safe (looks like a lunch box or small suitcase). I secured it with a bolt through the floor of my SUV and stenciled "BOLTED" on the top. That's where the phone and wallet went, and I carried the key with my car key on a lanyard around my neck.

You can never prevent this stuff from happening, but you can dramatically reduce the probability by making it difficult. I worked in a county jail for a couple of years. Thieves are lazy and generally stupid.

Posted by: Bruce at June 21, 2004 02:32 PM

oh yeah.

Bojon throw's bad ass parties...

"this is the playground. if you can't have fun here, you don't ever have fun"-bojon 2004

Posted by: tom at June 21, 2004 02:34 PM

not only can bojon throw bad ass parties.. but the master bojon himself knows a wee bit about raging. no doubt.

Posted by: e at June 21, 2004 02:39 PM

thieves are lazy/stupid.

funny but true.

but they are persistent and are going to steal something. you won't stop them but the slightest deterrent means they steal from the car next to you.

which car do you want to be?

Posted by: at June 21, 2004 02:39 PM

christian: thanks for that "baby's first hold-down" story -- best father's day tale I've heard this year!

and thanks to edgardo alfonso, who helped make my surfless weekend more bearable. battle of the surf bands at the hotel utah was another nice consolation.

in blakestah's absence here's a prediction for the week based on the combined forecasts of stormsurf, surfline, wetsand and NWS. wish it were more promising ...

we have a small (knee-waist) SW arriving today thru Wed but it will likely be broken-up and beat-down by the local winds, which are predicted to blow all week. some slim hope exists for some of the south swell to get thru as the gradient-driven NW winds are concentrated closer to shore. otherwise looking at 4-7 ft short-period NW windswell thru the week, which is currently coming in pretty steep. another SW is on the way for next weekend, but it sounds like it will be smaller (chest-ish) than initially predicted and will also be hindered by local winds, but it could last thru Tues and possibly reach the head-high mark by then.

blakestah, please bring an offshore low with you when you come back!

Posted by: loon at June 21, 2004 02:40 PM

waaaa...i want some surf.... E i can't do today but I live around there and usuallly skate a couple evenings a week. Go at 6:15 tomorrow and you got a partner...

Posted by: luke at June 21, 2004 02:50 PM

wish i was still in norcal, i'd bust my saxamophone for a jam this aft, could use it with the lack of surf in sd. supposed to pick up this aft?

Posted by: gvibe at June 21, 2004 02:52 PM

Wacky weekend; all alone at OB Saturday morning where a shark was seen later; then mucho ding repair on my longboard to prepare it for sale, and then a leak-test session southward yesterday early--and at the end of the session I somehow buckled the damned thing---the middle of the deck is delammed and has torn glass. Another project? Or landfill? We'll see.

I'm spending the week in the SC area (staying in Aptos). Never surfed around here before. If anyone has suggestions about where I might try in the current tiny but windless conditions, I'd be enormously grateful for an email (remove the "DELETEME" in the email address linked to "Klooless Kook" above). But I understand the "find it your own damn self" idea, too.

Posted by: Klooless Kook at June 21, 2004 02:55 PM


Nias is not shallow. It's probably one of the deepest water surf spot in Indo. The trip there from Padang is pretty brutal on the ferry.

if you longboard, you might want to hit some of the points in mainland near Ixtapa, or spend some time in Nexpa. long left point.
Those will probably be your cheapest destinations too.

Enjoy. Be careful. Trust nobody.

Posted by: jb at June 21, 2004 02:56 PM

e - tell Emily to consider going to Tonga. Nothing super huge or dramatic, mostly shoulder-high to just overhead - though we did catch one solid eight to ten foot day there a few years ago. Everything breaks over coral and it can get fast and good - so it could present her with a satisfying challenge. She can contact Steve Burling at surfingtonga.com - he and his wife Sesika run one of the friendliest places on the planet – Ha’atafu Beach Resort.

Posted by: Jimmie at June 21, 2004 02:57 PM

surfermag forum had a bitchin thread yesterday of photos on the PCH:


a few shots:

my fav

sorry for the long post, but any of you have some nice shots from the PCH in norcal?

Posted by: gvibe at June 21, 2004 03:00 PM

old man -- Is this what you're suggesting?

Posted by: mwsf at June 21, 2004 03:05 PM

ok, who's got a plane?

take me please

actually many would say that that's not a very good swell angle so don't worry all of central america is closing out. really.

yoooo e, sounds like fun alternasurf plans tonight. we'll get some jammin' in when i visit in about 2 weeks. phish! i'll be deep in that eyes-closed acoustic universe, dancing through some heady waves in my mind. solid music/wave visualization going on... the Oneness of the Ever Now. i'm promoting for the You Are Love Tour '04, goood times!

and speaking of art, our man Bagel hooked me with an AMAZING painting for my newlywedded brother... I'm going to deliver the gift right now, a beautiful production of tropical colors and scenery... Bagel is an extremely dope painter!!! thanks brother!!

Posted by: jake at June 21, 2004 03:17 PM

mwsf - farking classic!! ha!

jake - right on heady.. jam back in the house as soon as you hit up SF.

Bagel is a dope artist. fur cereal.

Posted by: e at June 21, 2004 03:20 PM

yeah bro you got the picture

Posted by: old man at June 21, 2004 03:21 PM


Posted by: e at June 21, 2004 03:31 PM

bagel when's your next show?

i was sent this link to a couple paintings by alex schaffer from aqua surf shop.

also here's silvin's (also from aqua) skate company, green brew. some cool photos of SF on there too.

Posted by: bbr at June 21, 2004 03:34 PM

Similar story at OB last fall, thieves took hidden key and went straight to Sears in San Rafael of all places and got 3 $300 giftcards, 2 on one credit card and one on the other. Cops didn't even ask where the charges on the cards were made, credit card company seemed a little more intersted. I had been hiding my key in the same place for years so I guess they either saw me or are getting smarter. They locked the key back in the car and I had to take a cab home in my wetsuit to get the spare. I got lucky, they left my car and my brand new phone and expensive shades in the car. Moral of the story- use the pocket in your wetsuit.

Posted by: cold at June 21, 2004 03:42 PM

Kieth Jarrett - Sun Bear Concerts - smoooth!

Posted by: e at June 21, 2004 03:54 PM

thanx you heads, glad you liked the painting Jake. im having a show in august, ill post the dates here for sure. if you want to check it out, heres my super basic website of some fairly recent stuff. www.nathanstapley.com. i must update it with newer stuff soon and learn more about interweb design..

Posted by: bagel at June 21, 2004 04:16 PM

Uber utility sesh possible south of sf. Desperate, but windy shoulder highs are available. Less reliable lumps to yourself if you avoid areas w/peeps. Couple of rides, couple of closeouts on the head, that's about it. OB could be utillity sesh too but it might work better if a sail is involved!

Posted by: s.s. sharkbait at June 21, 2004 04:48 PM

Bagel- that's some sick art. There are some interesting themes coming through but they are packaged with such humor the message sneaks up on ya. Dope. For goodness sake don't stop painting.

The walls in my home are covered with early 20th century American and European paintings, many seascapes. If I can get better photos, I'll share a couple. There's this one nude that I know Superman will like.

Posted by: Art Critic Bruce at June 22, 2004 07:54 AM

JDZ thanks! just ordered the "Rising Sun" christian hosoi deck. Havent builit a skatey since my young sponger days, i hope the Cabrillo Hill of Death doesnt take me!

Posted by: glassyofffshorepeeler at June 22, 2004 08:37 AM

For those who couldn't download Finnegan's article, I dropped off a paper copy at SF Surf shop about two weeks ago. I also keep a copy of it behind my desk at work to give me something to look forward to when I get outta my cubicle.

Posted by: andrew on 44th at June 22, 2004 07:06 PM

The red art under the "Klimt" section is my painting! "Retro Klimt" it is NOT a Klimt. You can see other paintings of mine at www.Hawaiicolors.com

Posted by: D.Hill at June 23, 2004 10:22 AM

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